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  •  Everybody can listen to the little voices inside (1+ / 0-)
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    their heads OR maybe they could read something from people who have been there and done that?  Rick Hillier is only one voice, but in the near future I'm certain that we will hear many others as well.  You could always read this.  I will be reading the book too.

    "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 07:52:46 AM PDT

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    •  Read it. (0+ / 0-)

      Quote:

      It was only with a top-up of American troops this year that the alliance has reached the minimum 70,000 to 80,000 soldiers NATO has said is required to defeat the Taliban, he said.

      70 to 80k troops will "defeat the Taliban"?

      A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

      by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 08:05:42 AM PDT

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      •  Did you ever happen to read anything at all (0+ / 0-)

        about the struggles in Afghanistan?  It is about power, and Islamic Extremists win this socio/cultural fight most of the time. The Taliban brand was the winning brand in most regions but not all regions and it is only a brand.  When you are willing to behead people for showing their ankles you tend to win the following of the people.  And now we have "Taliban" showing up to the bargaining table with us.  Were these people to the bone "Taliban" or just trying to survive the tyrants in power?  Without a working government capable of protecting the welfare of the general population........how long do you think it will be before beheading the bare ankled makes a huge come back?  And then the Taliban gets everything it needs to feed its Al Qaeda....which is another brand.  And on a different vein.....Why doesn't someone figure out how to give Afghanistan the minimum daily requirement of 70,000 to 80,000 COMBAT TROOPS....not support troops, but COMBAT TROOPS and then let's see what happens!

        "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

        by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 08:26:34 AM PDT

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        •  Let's see what happens? (0+ / 0-)

          Here's the only thing that's guaranteed to happen....more of this, and this.

          Constitution says the purpose of our Armed Forces is to provide for the common defense of the United States.  Doesn't say anything about abusing  using them to build up feudal cultures in distant parts of the world.

          Why in hell would AQ want to be in Afghan? of all places?  instead of where they are now?  And why would Afghans make the same bitter mistake of letting them in?

          A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

          by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 08:46:34 AM PDT

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          •  and this (0+ / 0-)

            A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

            by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 08:48:15 AM PDT

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            •  Then lobby to leave now (0+ / 0-)

              These Generals know who the boss is.  So does Jeff.  If we aren't leaving Afghanistan and that is what you want, there is only one person to blame and his name is Barack Obama.......PERIOD....end of discussion.

              "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

              by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 08:50:35 AM PDT

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              •  Well, yep! (0+ / 0-)

                I'm lobbying.  But the executive branch is only one of three branches of government.  Congress enables by ante-ing up the money, no?

                A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 08:53:52 AM PDT

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                •  I don't know what the hell you don't get about (0+ / 0-)

                  Presidential power and the military.  This is not  a three branch decision......DUH!

                  "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                  by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:05:43 AM PDT

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                  •  duh, yerself! (0+ / 0-)

                    Congress can't order the troops home, but congress doesn't have to fund a gawddam thing it doesn't choose to fund.

                    Why so cranky?

                    A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                    by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:08:47 AM PDT

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                    •  The only person who decides (0+ / 0-)

                      whether troops stay or go home is the President.  But please feel free to bitch about Generals and then starve your troops.  That's why I'm cranky.  I'm the wife of a serving soldier who did not get out under Bush because all the senior officers were abandoning ship, leaving the poor sucker kids who signed up during 9/11 on their own with the lawless Bushies.  This is your President now and he is in charge of these troops.  And your solution is to keep on fucking the military?  Whatever!

                      "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                      by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:13:25 AM PDT

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                      •  How does (0+ / 0-)

                        ANY president have a shot of whiskey without congress buying and paying for it?

                        Bush was on a dry drunk for 8 years, and congress kept buying him the next round.

                        My 23 year old son is deployed into the belly of the beast in Afghan.  If congress stops funding this war this instant, you surely don't think this imperils our troops, do you?  More funding just buys more boards and nails to crucify our troops.  People have trouble getting this.  It's hard to fool military families, though.

                        A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                        by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:20:17 AM PDT

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                        •  Is this what your son says? (0+ / 0-)

                          Because driving convoys in Afghanistan with no support leads to safety from IEDs?  Did you know those guys and girls drive around right now largely without the detection equipment that they need or enough manpower to use it?  My spouse is inside the wire this go around, but I think about those soldiers with their ass hanging out there every single day.  And if the President says we stay we stay and if he says we go then we go and that is it!!!!

                          "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                          by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:27:11 AM PDT

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                          •  I find it hard to believe that you have a son (0+ / 0-)

                            there right now.  Sorry, but I do

                            "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                            by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:29:09 AM PDT

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                          •  And you may (0+ / 0-)

                            go straight to hell for that.

                            A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                            by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:32:14 AM PDT

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                          •  After all these years of America at war (0+ / 0-)

                            Don't worry, I already am.  One horrible administration started all this, but this one is not stepping up the plate in any way, shape, or form.

                            "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                            by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:34:50 AM PDT

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                          •  You can (0+ / 0-)

                            hide your head in the sand if you want, here, but I'm surprised.  These deployments have never been about giving our troops what they need. And with the trillions being spent, if they don't have what they need, spending trillions more ain't gonna get it either, m'dear.

                            What they need is to come home.  My son is worn out with the Wars Of The Military Industrial Complex, and has nothing but contempt for the cornerstones of the same.

                            A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                            by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:31:45 AM PDT

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                          •  Then he can get out (0+ / 0-)

                            They are allowing anybody to get out who really wants to.  If he is worn out, all he has to do is say so....they believe our soldiers now when they say they are spent.  To not do so only leads to more death and insanity in the field.

                            "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                            by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 09:40:50 AM PDT

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                          •  bullshit (0+ / 0-)

                            They are allowing anybody to get out who really wants to.

                            A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                            by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 11:56:51 AM PDT

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                          •  Whatever (0+ / 0-)

                            Change of administration changes everything in military policy but whatever.

                            "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                            by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 12:16:49 PM PDT

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                          •  fiddlesticks. (0+ / 0-)

                            A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                            by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 12:18:27 PM PDT

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                          •  Whatever (0+ / 0-)

                            "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                            by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 12:21:23 PM PDT

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                          •  whatever. not. (0+ / 0-)

                            You should stop saying these blatant lies.  There are naive folks around who might believe them.

                            A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

                            by Hound Dog on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 04:44:53 PM PDT

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                          •  For the record (0+ / 0-)

                            Bragg was going to pull my spouse from his upcoming deployment within days of his leaving because they felt he had too many family stresses to deploy.  He had to make his case that the family could handle it.  But you obviously know more than I do.

                            "People die. Strategies fail. Blame is laid. And we, as a nation, are made to look like assholes." - Brandon Friedman

                            by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 24, 2009 at 12:19:08 PM PDT

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