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  •  I'm against any news outlet... (17+ / 0-)

    that tries to call itself a serious news outlet while at the same time blurring the lines between opinion and even advocacy.

    I see this in all of the 24-hour news networks, unfortunately. Except for CNN, which lives in the mushy middle and does neither news nor opinion. With that network, there's not even enough news to blur the lines.

    There has to be a clear delineation. News and opinion. Say what you will about newspapers, but at least most editors tried to keep news and opinion on separate pages.

    "A violent argument erupts over whose day was more pleasant." --- Tom Servo

    by droogie6655321 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 08:34:45 AM PDT

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    •  I respectfully disagree (2+ / 0-)
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      There has to be a clear delineation. News and opinion. Say what you will about newspapers, but at least most editors tried to keep news and opinion on separate pages.

      I read quiet a few newspapers

      I have found that usually when more than one person has written an article together that one author writes from fact the other writes opinion.

      Change is a process not an event

      by Luetta on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:30:16 AM PDT

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      •  asdf (10+ / 0-)

        I was a reporter for five years in newspapers. Where bias comes in mostly is when a lazy editor tries to shift around what you give them, playing up certain points and diminishing others to suit how he or she wanted the story.

        It also comes from the source side. Sometimes sources lie or conceal. Other times they won't participate in the interview, making it hard to tell all sides of the story.

        Then of course there's time constraints. Some stories run a little incomplete and have to be spiked or run as is until further coverage develops.

        "A violent argument erupts over whose day was more pleasant." --- Tom Servo

        by droogie6655321 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:37:19 AM PDT

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        •  This is the problem of all news outlets (2+ / 0-)
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          Some stories run a little incomplete and have to be spiked or run as is until further coverage develops.

          I wish it were not so

          Change is a process not an event

          by Luetta on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:46:33 AM PDT

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        •  It also comes from reporters doing "analysis". (11+ / 0-)

          "Analysis" is just a sneaky way of putting that reporter's (or editor's) viewpoint into a seemingly factual article without putting it on the op-ed page. Granted, this is more of a big city newspaper habit, but it's there. Just read dan balz or adam nagourney (and a whole lot of others) sometime.

          A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

          by dougymi on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:48:08 AM PDT

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          •  Do you mean... (1+ / 0-)
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            Using a story as a "hook" to talk about a wider issue?

            That has value, when it's done right. But care has to be taken to keep the reporter out of the story.

            "A violent argument erupts over whose day was more pleasant." --- Tom Servo

            by droogie6655321 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:49:25 AM PDT

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            •  I mean when they label an article "analysis" (1+ / 0-)
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              You see it all the time. It can be a hook to write about a larger issue, but more often it's a reporter's take on whatever hot button issue they've been assigned to do and where it stands in the political (or military or science or whatever) world.

              nagourney and balz are two examples of doing it wrong, as well as ceci connally and others. Once upon a time, I'd say that thomas ricks did it right, but he got too close to the generals and started sucking. tom edsall did it fairly well too.

              A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

              by dougymi on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:57:38 AM PDT

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              •  Well, (1+ / 0-)
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                Anything that puts the reporter in the position of being the commentator is not news anymore as it's been traditionally defined.

                In journalism as I was taught it and as I practiced it, the reporter takes every step possible to keep from becoming a part of the story.

                The reporter is the people's eye. Nothing more.

                "A violent argument erupts over whose day was more pleasant." --- Tom Servo

                by droogie6655321 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 10:00:13 AM PDT

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        •  Like today with Amgen getting sued by 14 states. (2+ / 0-)
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          I think this is a huge story and all it got was a few lines announcing that the largest biotech company in the world and maker of Aranesp was being sued for giving kickbacks to providers.

          Where are the details?  What other states besides NY and Cuomo are involved?  Where are the links to the lawsuit itself?

          It's the blockbusters such as Aranesp and Neulasta that make up a huge percentage of the Medicare and Medicaid budgets and one of the reasons we hear the constrant claims (especially by Republicans) that Medicare and Medicaid are going broke.  

          This story should be in big block headlines.

    •  So you're against the dailykos? (0+ / 0-)

      see troutguy's hit piece on stupak on the REC LIST.

      amateur.

      Hope Change comes faster.

      by angry liberaltarian on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:47:24 AM PDT

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    •  CNN's obsession with Twitter and email (0+ / 0-)

      and I-reports sent me over the edge.

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