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  •  That's because you've got the big girl pants on. (7+ / 0-)

    We can't be shouting at Fox all the time. We've got to be on the lookout for Fox imitators.

    We shouldn't welcome tactics we despise just because they're used in a way we agree with politically.

    "A violent argument erupts over whose day was more pleasant." --- Tom Servo

    by droogie6655321 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 09:14:05 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree. There's a reason they win and we lose (5+ / 0-)
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      so much of the time.  It's about appealing to human nature - or specifically American nature.  Fox/Republicans know how to do it, and we do not.  But some of us on the left have figured it out - Alan Grayson, KO, Maddow, Franken, Weiner, etc.

      Americans do not like to pull punches - we want fighters whether we're on the left or right - we want fighters, not peaceniks and intellectuals.  It's just the way it is.  Personally I would love it if the intellectuals were popular, but in America they're not.  Even Jon Stewart is popular because he's a comedian who pulls no punches.  He's clearly a fighter who knows how to win (the hearts and minds of Americans).

      The reason the republicans are down so much is that they're corrupt, their policies failed, they overreached, and now they're representing the lunatic fringe, but for a while they were unstoppable.  What we need to figure out is how to achieve the success they did and hold on to it - don't overreach, don't start appealing to the left wing lunatic fringe, etc.

      But I guess my bottom line is we need more, not less, of the likes of Alan Grayson.

      •  It's not a news outlet's job... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... to appeal to anyone's nature.

        I mean if you want to put political commentators like Olbermann in the same category as an elected official like Alan Grayson that's one thing, but we're talking about drawing the line between news and opinion.

        I thought this diary and this comments section was about how we can get better news, not better or more forceful opinion. That's a whole different topic.

        "A violent argument erupts over whose day was more pleasant." --- Tom Servo

        by droogie6655321 on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 10:21:36 AM PDT

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      •  Reminds of the famous opening scene from "Patton" (1+ / 0-)
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        Whether you agree with its sentiment or not, "Patton" has some impressive acting and its opening monologue has some memorable lines.  Like,

        "Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans love the sting of battle."


        "Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed."


        "We are advancing constantly and we’re not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're gonna go through him like crap through a goose."

        Certainly a lot of Americans feel that way, including myself at times especially when I hear crap spewing from the right-wingers (like the current FP diary about Liz Cheney criticizing President Obama for going to Dover to honor the arriving war dead).

        "If science teaches us anything, it teaches us to accept our failures, as well as our successes, with quiet dignity and grace." -- Young Frankenstein

        by dewtx on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 11:23:00 AM PDT

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      •  But it's why Maddow and Olbermann (0+ / 0-)

        make such a good pairing -- Maddow's approach is far more laid-back than Olbermann's, but you need both; they can cover similar stories from different angles, thus giving viewers a complete picture. At the same time, they have their differences -- Keith has "Oddball", Rachel her "Moment of Geek" and her Kent Jones feature at the end, so it's not a total rehash.

        Civility is the way of telling someone to go fuck themselves in such a way that the someone agrees it probably is a good idea.

        by Cali Scribe on Fri Oct 30, 2009 at 11:48:38 AM PDT

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    •  Tactics we despise (3+ / 0-)

      Which Fox tactics are Grayson and Olberman using? I don't see them making stuff up, calling themselves "fair and balanced," or claiming they're being oppressed when someone disagrees with them.

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