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  •  The Republicans Understand the Power of People (4.00)
    in the Streets to create momentum for their causes at strategic points. It isn't neccesarily a threat of violence, but part of the power of ANY street demonstration is precisely the danger that it will cross that line. The gutlessness of the Democrats on this score makes my head spin since the Dems can call up a much more talented and experienced bunch of street activists from a wide range of social movements. The Republican rent-a-rioters are frankly rank amateurs in creating chaos and if Florida is an indication it looks like they can only count on the ones that are on their payroll.

    "Tell no lies. Claim no easy victories." -- Amilcar Cabral

    by Christopher Day on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 08:51:45 AM PST

    •  And the republicans are not afraid of the S-word.. (none)
      See? A republican just accused democrats of trying to steal the election just because they want a fair recount.

      Can't we take a page on their book? We have much more grounds for using the S-Word in the general election. Let's not coward away... Are the Washington repubs going to loose credibility because they say this? Not!

      •  S-word: (none)

        "fuck your war... and your president."--Snake Plissken

        by binFranklin on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 10:37:44 AM PST

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      •  Democrats are wimps (4.00)
        That's the overwhelming theme running through Kos.  There are people excusing the wimpiness, people trying to understand the wimpiness, people angry at the wimpiness, and people trying to change/eliminate the wimpiness.  

        But the 2004 Democratic party is a bunch of pansies and wimps.  That needs to change.  We need to take the fight at minimum to their level.  Imagine if Ohio had been reversed and Kerry had the winning margin and there were 4000 extra votes here, and some voter intimidation there and someone stepped forward and testified before congress that he was paid to write a program to hack the vote.  We would hear nothing but this from Fox, CNN, Rush, etc. and it would be topic A-number-one on every Sunday talk show.  Why?  Because the Republicans would have enough people screaming with the same unified message that you'd have to be deaf not to hear it and someone would run with the story which means everyone would have to do so to catch up.  

        The Democrats can't even decide whether it's better to scream or just sit there and take it, and if we were to scream, what do we scream.  It's like 1000 different voices saying different things, and even if you're trying to listen you can't make anything out.


        Organizing my thoughts about how to win from 2005 forward -

        by FredFred on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 11:57:12 AM PST

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    •  Agreed (3.00)
      Republican protests are much better directed, in terms of media impact.

      Democratic protests too often become open venues for free association.  So you end up with Turtles and Anarchists who destroy any unifying theme and allow the media to dismiss the other 90%.  Democrats are uncomfortable with giving the cold shoulder to any minorty group.

      Regardless, I give the Democratic leaders credit for pushing this issue forward.  The rank and file is demoralized by the Bush victory.

    •  ya don't necessarily want the pros (3.50)
      I think one of the things that we saw in New York this last year was that protests are much more effective (as far as media narrative that emerges from it) when they're constituted of passionate amateurs. When the images on the news are of marching veterans, grandmothers, toddlers, people in your basic "normal" uniforms, etc, it tends to get covered as a peaceful protest.

      I thought one of the posts Steve G. put up before the RNC was brilliant, he encouraged those that wouldn't be otherwise inclined to do so to pick up a "normal" uniform (think J. Crew, Dockers, etc) so that they wouldn't be targetted by the NYPD, who anachronisticly tend to think of protestors as "East Village hippies". Scalia once said, in reference to a flag burning amendment, "Just between you and me, I don't like scruffy, sandal-wearing, bearded people who go around burning the United States flag, and if it were up to me, I would ban it." This is how out of touch the right (and in lots of cases, the cops, though they're typically pretty blue collar) are with protests these days. I think it's important that we apply a bit of media and political calculus to leverage that misperception and get the media to work for us instead of against us. Everyone (in the media) knows that dissidents don't wear Dockers, heh.

      Tangential I realize, but it's something I've thought lots about over the last few years.

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