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  •  wishful thinking (0+ / 0-)

    won't happen and there are a lot of risks.We have waited  40 years for this juncture.

    "Gives us a sense of momentum when the United States has accolades tossed its way rather than shoes."-09-Oct-09

    by soms on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:26:44 PM PDT

    •  and when would they take up healthcare reform (1+ / 0-)
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      after the shut-down?

      "Gives us a sense of momentum when the United States has accolades tossed its way rather than shoes."-09-Oct-09

      by soms on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:28:17 PM PDT

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      •  wouldn't Reid have the authority to schedule it (1+ / 0-)
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        immediately after the shutdown ended?

        Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

        by Eric Stetson on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:30:21 PM PDT

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        •  depends. How long would the shutdown be? (0+ / 0-)

          And what kinda priority legislations will be put on hold because of the shutdown?
          Remember we are in a recession now. Such a move would be fraught with danger.

          "Gives us a sense of momentum when the United States has accolades tossed its way rather than shoes."-09-Oct-09

          by soms on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:33:19 PM PDT

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          •  admittedly it would be a risky move, but (3+ / 0-)

            I think the question is, how long would it take to peel off one or two votes from the filibuster faction?  It would probably happen eventually.

            I bet somebody like Olympia Snowe, who represents a blue state where health care reform with a public option is overwhelmingly popular, would cave after a short while, for sheer political survival.

            I'm not sure who the Democrats are who currently are saying they won't vote for cloture, other than Lieberman.  Maybe Blanche Lincoln?  Ben Nelson?  One or both of them would probably cave after a while.

            I reckon there would be 60 votes pretty soon after the filibuster started, maybe a couple weeks.  But who really knows.

            Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

            by Eric Stetson on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:41:48 PM PDT

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            •  You can never say where the recession (0+ / 0-)

              will take us. If it gets any worse, the mood for healthcare reform might curdle in this country with deficit hawks spreading the health industry/medical instrumentation/Hospital lobby propaganda 24X7 and scare the HCR effort altogether.
              It's a move fraught with untold peril.

              "Gives us a sense of momentum when the United States has accolades tossed its way rather than shoes."-09-Oct-09

              by soms on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:45:55 PM PDT

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        •  With the kind of unsteady jittery fluttering (0+ / 0-)

          senate we have, it's highly risky to hold them together. There may be a backlash which won't do us any favors.

          "Gives us a sense of momentum when the United States has accolades tossed its way rather than shoes."-09-Oct-09

          by soms on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:39:42 PM PDT

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          •  and the media is not on our side. (0+ / 0-)

            As they say, healthcare reform delayed is healthcare reform denied.

            "Gives us a sense of momentum when the United States has accolades tossed its way rather than shoes."-09-Oct-09

            by soms on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:42:18 PM PDT

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      •  the republicans will have the support of (0+ / 0-)

        a lot of moneyed interests as they already do with AHIP to drown out the democrats. AHIP hasn't hand enough time to sink in its teeth with its propaganda. If there were a shut-down, organizations like AHIP would do just that.

        "Gives us a sense of momentum when the United States has accolades tossed its way rather than shoes."-09-Oct-09

        by soms on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:30:53 PM PDT

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    •  Clinton took a risk and it worked for him (5+ / 0-)

      He had lots of backbone to insist on his budget priorities rather than yield to Gingrich.  And that wasn't even a huge moral issue like health care reform.

      Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

      by Eric Stetson on Tue Oct 27, 2009 at 10:31:42 PM PDT

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