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  •  Here's the problem (2+ / 0-)
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    zeke L, MRA NY

    If one company decides to make money by denying a cancer patient care, they all have competitive pressure to follow. The rewards of helping to save somebody's life don't show in quarterly profit reports, and never will.

    •  That's a problem with any insurance system.... (0+ / 0-)

      ....whether free-market, single-payer, public option or anything in between.

      •  Not with a public option or single-payor (1+ / 0-)
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        The responsibilities of a public option and public single-payor are not to its shareholders, because there are none. They don't need to keep on making more money and increased profits because there are no shareholders pressuring them to do so.

        The focus of healthcare and insurance should be the patients, and that's not the way it is currently.

        They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

        by legendmn on Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 11:56:46 AM PDT

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        •  Taxpayers = shareholders (0+ / 0-)

          A tax-subsidized healthcare program is responsible to the taxpayers who fund it, and thus still has a similar incentive to cut costs.

          •  Just have the Federal Reserve Bank fund it then. (0+ / 0-)

            Supposedly the Fed can create trillions out of nothing when the occasion demands, at no cost to the taxpayers, right?

            Or is such legal and financial sleight-of-hand allowed only when the beneficiaries are the bankers, and not when the beneficiaries are the American people at large?

            The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

            by lotlizard on Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 07:58:06 PM PDT

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      •  wrong (0+ / 0-)

        in every other system:
        private/public, single payor, socialized, nationalized...etc., etc.
        in every other democracy except the u.s., insurance companies are not-for-profit. they are in business to pay claims. that's it. nothing else.

        united, aetna, wellpoint: for-profit corporations.
        every time they deny chemo or dyalisis or transplants...their bottom line increases.

        profiting off the sick and suffering.

        When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. ~H.G. Wells

        by ridemybike on Wed Oct 28, 2009 at 12:55:10 PM PDT

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        •  So what? (0+ / 0-)

          Non-profits still have to pay their employees and balance their books.  You do avoid some of the corporate excesses (feel free to tout that!), but the cost-cutting tactic of denying coverage over technicalities is still there.

          That's why reform involves more than just changing middlemen.

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