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  •  i hear you, but (2+ / 0-)
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    kefauver, fayea

    there's no way we continue to bleed jobs through November 2010.  The question will be the pace of job creation.

    We WILL have a healthcare bill.  And if we have any brains at all, many of the positive effects will take place by the next election.

    •  Ah, but that's the rub.. (1+ / 0-)
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      eugene

      And if we have any brains at all, many of the positive effects will take place by the next election.

      What scares me most is a pitifully week P.O. that helps nobody until 2013 and only a few then, coupled with "reforms" that take years to kick in and a mandate to buy that is immediate.
      The party is perfectly capable of taking this golden opportunity and using political alchemy, turning it into lead.

    •  There are so many negatives not even discussed... (2+ / 0-)
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      eugene, bronte17

      ... in this community, or with very nominal discussion, I couldn't even begin to respond to your comment with any breadth of substance...but, your assumption that things are going to be better in another year is exactly what I'm talking about, as far as misperceptions in this community are concerned.

      Bad economic news is not well-received, let alone well publicized in this community.

      gjohnsit just posted a diary, (See: "The Approaching Muni Bond Implosion.") a little while ago, which is just one of the SMALLER examples of the multitude of problems we're facing right now that this community is not even cognizant of.

      There are, easily, 12-15 MAJOR problems related to our economy and the financial services sector--facts not really even subject to debate, even, but somehow they are around here--which barely see the light of day in this place.

      A good part of the problem relates to two underlying issues: 1.) the community has a tendency to conflate criticism of the administration's economic policies with criticism of the President; and folks are very shallow-minded about a lot of these more complex and even boring, matters; and, 2.) there are two or three folks that are very popular bloggers here that go out of their way to misinform us, and Kossacks are eating it up.

      Basic reality #1: the Federal Reserve and the financial services sector are so fucked up, the government will do whatever it takes to not let us know the details.

      There are, easily, another dozen issues that are almost as bad that barely get noticed in this blog, and when they do, many people have taken to approaching the comments as if they're re-engaging in the primary wars from 2008.

      What's that all about?

      The zeitgeist is really getting quite fucked-up. And, it's a fire that's being fueled by not just the White House, but our entire government, the MSM, and the oligarchy.

      I've never seen nor read about anything like it. It's actually unprecedented as far as this country's concerned. And, I majored in 20th Century U.S. History at a very respected university.

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 12:32:28 PM PST

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      •  Heh (1+ / 0-)
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        bobswern

        I'll do you one better - I am nearly finished with a PhD in 20th century US history at a very respected university.

        Not like it matters - we both agree that we've never seen anything like the current zeitgeist, not since 1900.

        There is an opportunity for a new progressive movement out there. Question is whether we take it or not.

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day

        by eugene on Mon Nov 02, 2009 at 02:34:40 PM PST

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