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  •  Uhhhh.. Didn't Show Up?? (0+ / 0-)

    Wow...
    I'm shocked at that.
    Tell me how many votes people who don't show up get???

    •  Look (17+ / 0-)

      over 2 million voters between NJ and VA that shoed up for Obama bailed yesterday.  I do not give a flying fuck about exit polls of the ones who did, I want to know, specifically, why those voters did not.  Reverse polling.

      •  Curious idea... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...I wonder if Dk could get a poll on something like this.  Ask if they voted, and if they say no, ask why not.

      •  I think both are probably relevant (6+ / 0-)

        sources of information that should be reviewed.

        I thought it was really interesting that such high numbers of people worried about the economy in both NJ and VA would have elected Republicans.  Shows me that the GOP fiscal responsibility message is probably gaining traction again which is scary given the fact that they suck at fiscal responsibility.  Also says to me that in a very few short months, the Democratic brand has gone from shiny and hopey to lack luster and depressed.  I think that is because the Democrats have done everything to avoid giving direct relief to people around this country in this disaster.  They better smarten up and start getting some direct relief in place - and I don't mean unemployment checks either - I mean they need to get some money out in the streets and create jobs - fast.

      •  Democrats appear to be giving away the (1+ / 0-)
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        treasury to Wall Street bankers?

        Who can support that approach in this economy?

        Suddenly it's Christmas The longest holiday. When they say 'Season's Greetings, They mean just what they say It's a season, it's a marathon Retail eternity

        by Pescadero Bill on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 09:53:12 AM PST

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        •  So you're saying the choice is between... (0+ / 0-)

          ...the party that APPEARS to be giving away the Treasury to Wall Street and the party that is absolutely committed - down to its written platform - to giving away the Treasury to Wall Street.

          I don't like much of what Geithner and Summers have been saying and proposing, but I do know that Wall Street APPEARS to be against what many of us consider to be very mild regulation of the Financial Complex, and they'd like nothing better than for the purists among us to decide that anything less than "ideal" reform is not worth the effort.

          All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for a handful of Democratic Senators pay exclusive attention to the lobbyists of the Medical Industrial Complex.

          by Egalitare on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 10:17:27 AM PST

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          •  What I'm saying is that from my conversations (0+ / 0-)

            people are saying the Democrats are no different the the Republicans.

            In order to present a definitive choice to people, one has to act in definitive ways. That is, taking on the corporatocracy rather then trying to work with and from within it.

            People deep down know what the problem is with this country, they want the democrats to fight it.

            That should be the democratic platform. I'd call it something like "Change you can actually see!"

            Suddenly it's Christmas The longest holiday. When they say 'Season's Greetings, They mean just what they say It's a season, it's a marathon Retail eternity

            by Pescadero Bill on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 11:05:45 AM PST

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    •  You're missing a key point. (1+ / 0-)
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      If they didn't show up, why not? That's what we're talking about when we talk about the Dem base being depressed, etc.

    •  Why are you surprised (1+ / 0-)
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      that so few people vote?  The reason Obama won was how much folks were energized and determined to vote for him.  If  you don't like your choices, don't feel invested, you don't vote.  I worked on a lot of campaigns, starting with Jackson's Poor People's campaign, and it amazed me, with all the work we all did, how many supporters just did not bother to vote, for whatever reason (OK, it was snowing.)  Lack of voter turn-out is still a huge problem in this country.  We should give people the day off on voting days.

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