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  •  Dear Kos et al (3+ / 0-)

    I am a Democrat. I am a liberal Democrat. I support every position of the far left of our Party. But:

    I am so confused.

    HaHa. Moving too far right screwed the Rs in NY.
    Hell Yes! We have to move the Ds to the far left. (Think of what far left means to the average voter who doesn't even know about 'blogs.')

    HaHa. Sarah and Rush are going to destroy the R Party.
    Hell Yes! We need more Grayson's and Nader's!

    The hypocrisy is unbecoming. As is the continued belief that only WE are the base of the D Party. Please talk to 10 Ds who have been active in the party for years and have never heard of DK and ask them what they consider the base of the Party? This 'it's only us that matters' is really insulting to people who have been working in grassroot politics since before many of you were born (and no, that doesn't give us old people any special rights. But, I'd hope it could at least be recognized that we've been fighting for everything you want for a long time...and here you are, wanting us to die off :)).

    What may kill all the political goals you and I want to reach is not the ones among us who could be labeled 'pragmatic progressives' or the 'base' of the D Party. It will be the shortsighted approach that 'we should stay home and that will show them.' If you want to really slow down progress, that will work. And, then after years of Palinesque elected officials, there will be a new group of young activists who decide to fight back - and look at you as relics who took your marbles and went home when you had a chance to make some changes that would have made their fight easier.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

    by royce on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 10:17:20 AM PST

    •  No one is saying move left. Deeds lost because (0+ / 0-)

      he moved right.  The town hall screamers during August made him poop his pants and run for cover as Republican Lite.

      •  Not the way I read it. (0+ / 0-)

        But I agree about Deeds.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

        by royce on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 10:30:14 AM PST

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      •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

        Take reasonable positions. Then fight for them. Changing your positions for political gain is just a bad idea. Stand for something reasonable, and then try to convince people.

        No one is saying that the base should be embraced so tightly that it becomes a purity contest (which is what happened to the Republicans in NY-23). However, actually running away from, or even against, your base, is a really bad idea.

        Most of the anger of the base as expressed here is not because of a purity contest, but the failure to take a position and then fight for it. That position doesn't have to be in 100% agreement with what the base wants, and most people here will understand that. But stand for something. Don't move to the right because the Republicans are, and you want to end up in "the middle". No, your position should be defined by what you think is right, not by the other side trying to pull you to the right. What's right is right. You fight for it, and try to convince people that you are right. If, at the end of the day, you fought hard but had to settle for a compromise, most people will understand that. As long as you fought and stood for something.

        •  I think it is becoming a purity test. (0+ / 0-)

          I agree totally about Deeds. What a doofus. But, I didn't read Kos's post as only referring to Deeds. Too much other stuff in there.

          And if you don't see a purity fight going on, what do you make of the HCR debate on this site?

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

          by royce on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 10:55:32 AM PST

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          •  The hcr debate (0+ / 0-)

            When it comes to elected officials, I think what annoys most people is that the public option is something that is supported by a wide majority of the population. That is not just about the base, it is about DC seeming disconnected from reality.

            This is possibly the best it's going to get when it comes to Dem majorities, and we're having trouble passing something that a wide majority of the population supports? That should make anyone feel bad and angry.

            And, of course, people are honestly convinced that without a PO, things won't work, so they are understandably worked up about it.

    •  equally well stated. (2+ / 0-)
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      mariachi mama, royce

      Maybe I am just getting really impatient with this mindset because at my age I can't afford to just sit it out, stay home and wait for the next generation to fix what we will have f......d up if we don't just keep on truckin'.

      You'd have to chain me to the floor to keep me out of the arena. The times are really crucial and if DK naysayers think sitting it out is the best strategy, we'll just have to do it our own.

      That's how change comes about, not by sulking because you didn't get a big enough slice of the pie.

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