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  •  The bad thing is (4+ / 0-)
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    The pendulum will swing the other way eventually. And I'm afraid that when it swings back to the GOP, the 8 years of Bush/Cheney would seem like prosperity compared to Palin/Limbaugh.

    Don't donate to the DSCC in 2010 - they'll give your money to Harry Reid. Donate to the candidates instead!

    by arcticshadow on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:20:30 PM PST

    •  The way to make sure it doesn't end up.... (11+ / 0-)

      ...that way is to pass HCR NOW.  

      harry reid needs to man up and stop this BSing about "maybe next year."  The longer it takes, the tougher it will be.

      Obama needs to step in an throw some bows and get the Senators moving.  This has gone on long enough.

      If HCR bill dies, we will get obliterated in 2010, and Obama will be neutered for however long he has left....  and that pendulum swing is going to be really painful.

      "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

      by xsonogall on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:23:31 PM PST

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      •  Well, I wasn't referring to in the immediate (3+ / 0-)
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        future, although I do agree with your points.

        My point is, by the time the GOP completes it's 'purge', only the wingnuttiest of the wingnutty will be left. Palin/Limbaugh would be a plausible ticket for them. And American voters have short memories. There's no way they will stick with the Democrats forever. So what will happen?

        Don't donate to the DSCC in 2010 - they'll give your money to Harry Reid. Donate to the candidates instead!

        by arcticshadow on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:26:11 PM PST

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        •  Well I think the point many are implying.... (3+ / 0-)
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          ...is that they can stick with the Democrats for a very long time if the Republicans end up being so toxic because they are composed of the nuttiest of wingnuts.  

          Look at the UK.  The Tories are only relevant now after Blair effed up by sticking by Bush through the disastrous 2000s.  Otherwise, the Tories were completely out of power and irrelevant for a while.

          But we only make the wingnuts irrelevant if we (1) keep our base energized and (2) get isht done.  Now.

          We start the ball rolling with HCR.  If we can't get that done, we're screwed.  I don't understand why Harry Reid and cohorts don't get this.  Why they think they can push this off longer and longer.

          "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

          by xsonogall on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:32:58 PM PST

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      •  If it were real HCR maybe (0+ / 0-)

        But we're much likelier to get Medicare Part D Part Deux.

        No voters will feel the effect of HCR for three years, and when they do they may discover that what was sold as HCR was nothing but an insurance industry bailout bill paid for out of our pockets.

        I hope that the Progressive Caucus has the presence of mind to vote "no" on any bill that comes out of conference without a strong public option.

        Otherwise, not only will we end up with no real HCR, the Democratic leadership will understand that they can continue to ignore progressives in Congress.

        Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House. - Bob Herbert

        by GreenSooner on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:46:23 PM PST

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      •  We need to REALLY change this country (0+ / 0-)

        That doesn't just mean HCR. It means, Single payer, fair trade, the return of the american manufacturing base, EFCA, a living minimum wage indexed to inflation, real regulations, an end to the unneccessary foreign wars, free college education for all, an end to corporate financing of elections, an end to corporate subsidies, and a return to civil servants rather than privatizing every thing in our government.

        Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen if we don't fight for these things like people did back in the 30's and 60's.

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