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  •  But that gaurantees them a smaller and (2+ / 0-)
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    TomP, skohayes

    smaller slice of the whole elctoral pie. They want to relegate themselves to a regional party?

    •  You're missing the point (4+ / 0-)

      Eventually, Americans will want to give a different group the chance to govern, especially when Democrats are caught making mistakes. That's what happened in NJ last night and it is a sincere danger. If the Republicans have successfully transformed their party into the far-right party by then, they will be in a position to enact sweeping changes and turn our country into Jesusland once and for all. I shudder at the thought of a moderate-free Republican majority.

      "To some generations much is given. Of other generations much is expected. This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny." -FDR

      by more liberal than you on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:30:54 PM PST

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      •  I don't see the majority of Americans (2+ / 0-)
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        txdemfem, skohayes

        gving a wing-nut party a chance to govern, even if they do like to switch teams every so often. That trend depended on the two parties not being so very far apart in overall outlook, but on specifics of policy.

        I think it's more likely that a third party will grow out of the Republicans kicked out of the present party. Eventually to become the new counterbalance to the Democrats in the two-party system.

        •  Keep Germany in mind (3+ / 0-)

          Germany was relatively prosperous at the time of the Nazi takeover, save that there were many who were left out of that prosperity, and many who felt voiceless and put upon. (Sound familiar?). The old politics weren't working. The majority of Germans kept quiet and ignored politics as their version of t-baggers took over. They discovered too late that what they'd ignored turned out to be far, far worse than they ever imagined.

          •  Shades of Godwin's Law, but ... (0+ / 0-)

            that's exactly the point.

            The Democrats are actually the conservative party in the sense that they are committed to the status quo and the stability of the existing political order, even though the political order was radically redefined during the previous eight years of Republican ascendancy.

            The Republicans are a subversive party ready to use the narrowest of openings to seize power and to enact the most sweeping changes with razor-thin majorities. They will be punctilious about rules as a way of stopping their opponents and be essentially lawless in advancing their own agenda.

            Contrary to the Republicans, the Democrats have no long-term goals and so can never permanently win.

            "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

            by Demi Moaned on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 03:05:19 PM PST

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          •  no, Germany was not prosperous in 1930-33 (0+ / 0-)

            The Weimar Republic was relatively prosperous from 1923 to 1929, but was hit very hard by the Great Depression, which was worldwide.  The government responded by cutting social spending, which made things worse.  The general view was that western-style capitalism had failed, and the only alternatives were fascism or communism.

        •  Third parties have become nationally viable (2+ / 0-)
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          wishingwell, Demi Moaned

          only a handful of times in the history of this country. I sincerely hope you're right, but if precedent has anything to do with it, the wingnuttier Republicans will steer this country into the ground. Americans gave the country to Nixon, Reagan, and George W. Bush multiple times. I hope that the wingnuts are castigated out of the Republican party, not the other way around.

          "To some generations much is given. Of other generations much is expected. This generation of Americans has a rendezvous with destiny." -FDR

          by more liberal than you on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:46:38 PM PST

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      •  This is the "logic" of the two-party system. (2+ / 0-)
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        wishingwell, Demi Moaned

        For half a century, conservatives have taken advantage of it, while progressives have let it take advantage of us.  Progressives have put our goals aside in the interest of pursuing an "anything but the GOP" approach to politics.

        Meanwhile, conservatives have understood that if they capture a major party, they will eventually win.

        Policies that were wrong under George W. Bush are no less wrong because Barack Obama is in the White House. - Bob Herbert

        by GreenSooner on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:42:46 PM PST

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      •  It is a big mistake to use NJ as an example (2+ / 0-)
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        skohayes, royce

        because the issues are so localized.  We have the highest property taxes in the nation because no one wants to change a thing about how the state operates.  All of the 566 municipalities, 21 county government establishments, and 616 school districts (23 districts have no schools and 171 have but one school building) protect their perks and patronage, all the while singing the benefits of local control.  Christie will find out soon that it will take a bigger Governor than he (an alarming prospect) to fulfill his promise to turn Trenton upside down.  The last few Republican Governors, Whitman especially, have cut taxes and borrowed the funding to keep everything running as usual, thus underfunding the state pension system and creating the current deficit mess.  Democrats are then elected to clean up the mess, but are then reviled because their attempts at fiscal sanity raise some taxes and create pain for some constituent groups.  Then the fickle Jersey voters throw out the Democrat and elect another Republican and the endless cycle continues.

        And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

        by MrJersey on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 03:37:31 PM PST

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