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  •  I doubt people quite refused to vote for Deeds, (3+ / 0-)
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    they just weren't enthusiastic to put their lives on hold and give everything they had to get him elected, like folks did for Obama.

    I mean, at the end of the day it looks the same, but it's the difference between a good GOTV operation and a horrible one perhaps.

    http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2008/09/time-not-for-a.html

    by bhagamu on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 02:59:25 PM PST

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    •  Obama himself has put a logjam (0+ / 0-)

      on much of the ethusiasm by rejecting his base himself.

      •  Meanwhile in the reality-based community (1+ / 0-)
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        Obama's support from his coalition is practically unchanged from what elected him one year ago today.

      •  Who do you consider his base? (1+ / 0-)
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        It sure as hell wasn't the most progressive wing of the party. I don't understand why this meme keeps playing. What percentage of the people who volunteered for Obama and what percentage of votes cast for Obama do you think came from the most left-wing of the party? Give me your guess and I'll tell you mine.

        But, interestingly enough, the most progressive bloggers who sneered at Obama's naivety are the ones most critical that he hasn't solved every problem yet. 2008 pre election: "HA! He thinks the sun will come out the minute he becomes president. The fool."  2008/09 post election: "That sell-out has done nothing for us. We should have known we couldn't trust him."

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

        by royce on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 06:02:24 PM PST

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        •  Probably nighty percent of (0+ / 0-)

          his volunteers were progressive!

          •  What state did you volunteer in? (0+ / 0-)

            I was in a red state and also volunteered in a reddish/purple-ish state. I promise you that maybe - repeat, maybe - 5% of the volunteers I worked with were progressive. More than 50% of them probably didn't even know what 'progressive' meant and had never before volunteered for a political campaign.

            Guess our geographic perspective really does change our assumptions!

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

            by royce on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 07:12:04 PM PST

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            •  I don't believe this (0+ / 0-)

              even in red states the majority supported public option.  Including the majority in Max Bauchus's district.

              I am from Iowa which is purple.  I don't tend to believe internet testamonials, anyway.

              •  Different time frames? (0+ / 0-)

                I'm basing my observations on 2007 AND 2008. During most of that time, the public option issue wasn't a hot topic, so I'm not sure what your statement about the majority supporting the public option has to do with our discussion.

                Saying "I don't believe this" is not a nice way to respond. Do you think I am lying about my observations?

                In any case, we've probably worn out this discussion.

                BTW, a friend of mine volunteered for Obama for a few months in 2007 in Iowa. She had never volunteered for a political campaign before; she is one of those who wouldn't have had a clue about the meaning of 'progressive.' She did, however, have a lot of nice things to say about Iowans.

                "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

                by royce on Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 08:08:38 PM PST

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