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  •  Just echoing popular opinion as I see it (0+ / 0-)

    I couldn't get vaccinated due to short supplies, FWIW.

    Pregnant women especially are at risk and should AND DO get highest priority.  It just should not be seen that they get extra-special consideration for being employed by the giant vampire squid.

    Real plastic here; none of that new synthetic stuff made from chicken feathers. Stupidity is a condition; ignorance is a choice.

    by triplepoint on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 08:08:38 AM PST

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    •  But, they're not getting special treatment. (3+ / 0-)
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      A pregnant office manager at Goldman isn't getting any more preferential treatment than a pregnant Columbia University professor or a pregnant Time Warner sales rep.

      "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

      by Geekesque on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 08:26:41 AM PST

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      •  that's exactly right n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 08:32:10 AM PST

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        •  Hate to thread jump, but could you possibly (0+ / 0-)

          comment on the CDC's week 43 H1N1 report and maybe update with some of these new charts and graphs.

          2009-2010 Influenza Season Week 43 ending October 31, 2009

          Do you think these trends might indicate there is a chance we've reached at least a temporary peak of infection and we can worry a little less about the vaccine shortages?

          Also, could you comment on the California study that showed obesity as a significant risk factor for severity of H1N1 illness?

          Thanks, as always, for all your work and attention to health matters.

      •  Indeed... (1+ / 0-)
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        They're distributing limited vaccine supplies at campuses all over, and the profs and staff are at the bottom of the totem pole.  

        Pregnant anyone can get the vaccine, but beyond that the distribution seems to be very student-centric.  Which makes sense because professors aren't the ones going to frat parties and boinking undergrads (not the pre-tenured ones at least.)

      •  But getting 75% of doses requested (0+ / 0-)

        as opposed to the public sector seeming to get far less has poor optics, at the very least.  Mind you, I WANT all folks at risk to get innoculated whether they be the Obama daughters, or pregnant women working for Goldman or their cleaning service.  Or undocumented workers in the underground economy for that matter. It's just that it APPEARS that there is special treatment given, and that leads to class warfare of the ugliest kind.

        My doctors' practice received just 25% of their seasonal flu dose order and NONE of the swine flu.

        Have to get a cite, but the University of Minnesota (or maybe of Wisconson--have to look it up) which held the record last year for most flu innoculations given in a single day (according to the NYTimes yesterday) got nada this year.  

        Real plastic here; none of that new synthetic stuff made from chicken feathers. Stupidity is a condition; ignorance is a choice.

        by triplepoint on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 08:43:41 AM PST

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        •  Goldman got 4% of the doses they requested. (1+ / 0-)
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          They asked for over 5000, got 200.

          "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

          by Geekesque on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 08:54:09 AM PST

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          •  I heard differently, but could well (1+ / 0-)
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            be mistaken.  If so, I apologize.

            Real plastic here; none of that new synthetic stuff made from chicken feathers. Stupidity is a condition; ignorance is a choice.

            by triplepoint on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 09:08:40 AM PST

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            •  Link: (0+ / 0-)

              http://www.businessweek.com/...

              To the list of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and community health centers that have received limited allocations of the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, you can now add some of New York's largest employers. In the past week or so 13 companies, including Citigroup (C) and Goldman Sachs (GS), have begun receiving small quantities of the vaccine, according to city health authorities.

              Citigroup has been supplied with 1,200 units and Goldman with 200, says Jessica Scaperotti, press secretary for the Department of Health & Mental Hygiene. The agency has so far approved orders by 29 employers—including 16 that have yet to receive any vaccine—after they were cleared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC). Big employers that have received or are scheduled to receive vaccine so far include Time Warner (TWX), JPMorgan Chase (JPM), Memorial Sloan-Kettering, New York Presbyterian Healthcare System, and New York University.

              According to the city, Goldman has requested 5,300 doses. Only the company's two Manhattan locations are eligible to receive the vaccine because Goldman's other regional offices lack on-site health units, the spokesperson said. So far, only the 85 Broad St. location has received vaccine. The spokeswoman said the company knows of no employee who has fallen ill with swine flu, "but obviously you have to be prepared."

              "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

              by Geekesque on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 09:11:27 AM PST

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        •  But who cares about the "optics"? (0+ / 0-)

          We have to stop seeing this as some kind of political football.  It is a vaccination program.  

          Should we be changing the vaccine distribution because of its "optics"?  Should we stop administering vaccine in the workplace because of how this "APPEARS" when one of the workplaces is an investment bank?

          I want our vaccine distribution system to be as politically insensitive as possible.  I don't want health officials to withhold doses from Chicago or Hawaii, simply because that may be construed as favoritism among conservative bloggers.  I don't want them ignoring one group or another based on how it might play out politically.  I don't want them to neglect one workplace or another because a specific company name is associated with globalism or Wall Street.

          I'm astonished anyone thinks that the distribution should be changed or people fired based on how it appears.  Perhaps this is just a flare-up of the blogging classes, for whom political nuance is their stock-in-trade.  

    •  "should not be seen"?? (2+ / 0-)
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      This mirrors text I read in the article:

      ...this distribution plan is about as tone deaf as it comes. Wall Street has to be lower than any other group right now in public esteem and trust.

      Tone deaf?  Esteem?  In the previous article people complained about how the "optics" look bad.  
       
      But why the Hell should we care how it could be "seen"?  We're talking about a vaccination program here.  They should distribute vaccine on campus and at the workplace.  Should we change the distribution model to something less efficient because of how it could be "seen"?  
         
      The goal is to immunize as much of the population as quickly as possible, to stem a real outbreak of real influenza that kills real people; I couldn't give half a crap how the vaccination program could be "seen" by people sensitive to political symbolism.

      •  just tell people where it's going (0+ / 0-)

        that would solve the problem. Pretending it's not really a propblem won't solve the problem.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 08:33:09 AM PST

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      •  Thank you for your support of public health. (2+ / 0-)
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        We've been distributing everything from information to condoms to vaccines through every stakeholder who will let us for years. I volunteer for an AIDS service organization, and we have even done HIV rapid testing at a couple of church health fairs. (Haven't found one yet that will let us bring the condoms, but we're working on it.)

        It beats making everybody stand in one long-ass line at the health department.

        _Karl Rove is an outside agitator._

        by susanala on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 08:59:35 AM PST

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