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  •  Isn't that being done? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know the specific policy in New York, or its relative transparency.

    I don't expect companies to open their clinics to the general population beyond their own employees, but what information they are being given as to priorities in NYC I have no idea.

    •  neither does anyone else (1+ / 0-)
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      I can tell you if someone said to me 'we're going to give vaccine to Wall Street companies to distribute' I would have said 'it'll look awful, like the Bernie madoffs are getting it, so have a press release and explain it to me like I was a sixth grader, or come up with another plan'.

      "We have x number of pregnant women on our staff and y number of parents with under six month old babies (high risk CDC groups), and we want to do our part and relieve the burden on pediatrician and OB offices." Announce it as an innovative private-DOH partnership. And put it out before some investigative reporter puts you in defensive mode. Assuming that that is what you are doing.

      Or, you can have this.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 09:28:17 AM PST

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      •  Well, PR is another matter, isn't it? (0+ / 0-)

        As near as I can tell, this policy was in place before this particular strain of virus became an issue.

        The shortage of supplies of the vaccine were not anticipated by the manufacturers; nor was the larger-than-normal interest on the part of the public to get the vaccination, as near as I can tell.

        Should the New York Health Department have anticipated these things and tailored their PR to what actually happened?  Isn't that second-guessing?

        •  this one is such a no brainer (0+ / 0-)

          it's hardly second guessing.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 09:52:13 AM PST

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          •  Did you anticipate these problems before they (1+ / 0-)
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            happened, then?  Should officials in New York have told these companies "No, sorry, no vaccine for you until we get our PR campaign right"?

            How do you think that approach would have gone over?

            •  nah (1+ / 0-)
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              it's the health department saying to the companies "work with us, and we will anounce and plan together."

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 10:43:08 AM PST

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              •  Well, as I understand it, this would still be a (0+ / 0-)

                policy change by the Health Department with regard to the policy that was in place.

                I'm not so sure they could have pulled that off without a complaint from some quarter.

                Moreover, the number of doses they have distributed to companies  so far probably wasn't seen by them as significant, since in reality it wasn't.

                •  here's a pretty good summary (0+ / 0-)

                  with a (sort of an) apology for not understanding that different within-compny clinics was the same company.

                  Officials Defend Distribution of Flu Vaccine to Companies

                  the problem:

                  Citigroup has received 1,200 doses, more than half of what it requested, health officials said, and in late October, Goldman received 200 of the 5,400 doses it asked for. By contrast, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center received 200 of the 27,400 doses that it requested for its workers, according to the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

                  That is just not right. Here's some good news:

                  Citigroup and Goldman Sachs said they had administered the vaccine to pregnant women and employees with serious health conditions...

                  A spokeswoman for Goldman said the bank, "like other responsible employers, has requested vaccine and will supply it only to employees who qualify."

                  Frieden, the ex-NYC commissioner, is no dummy:

                  News reports on Thursday that the two banks and other companies received doses of the vaccine led Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and a former New York City health commissioner, to send out a letter reminding officials nationwide to make sure the vaccine goes only to people in high priority groups. Any decisions "that appear to direct the vaccine to people outside the identified priority groups have the potential to undermine the credibility of the program," he said.

                  and the apology

                  The city’s health commissioner, Dr. Thomas A. Farley, said: "My understanding is that Citi had multiple clinics and facilities, and they placed several orders. The person filling these might not have realized it was one company."

                  "We are dealing with thousands of providers and thousands of orders," Dr. Farley said. "It’s not all going as smoothly as we would like it to go."

                  So, that's better than CEOs get vaccine.

                  "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                  by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 06, 2009 at 01:31:24 PM PST

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