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  •  I was afraid of this happening (4+ / 0-)

    The unrealistic expectations that House Progressives could have "forced" real HCR through two demonstrably compromised chambers of congress, leading to the Congressional Progressive Caucus catching hell when weak legislation emerged, rather than known centrists.

    I don't get it.  I really don't get it at this point.

    And I can't believe that you rec'd this:
    the ravenous thugs of the right wing at Daily Kos

    Really mature.

    "At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality..." Nobel Peace Prize Winner President Barack H. Obama

    by GN1927 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 08:57:42 AM PST

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    •  "Unrealistic expectations"? (1+ / 0-)
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      I didn't sign a letter demanding a "robust public option."  The progressive caucus did.

      A lot of activist time, energy and money was spent towards that effort.

      Perhaps the only thing "unrealistic" were the expectations that they most of them would hold their position.  Heck just 2 of them did.  2 out of how many dozen?

      I freely admit, I expected them to cave.  I never thought my idea of making anyone who wants Medicare to buy into it to replace the public option, nor do I think Wyden's amendment in the Senate will pass.  

      What I did expect however was the Kucinich amendment to make it into the final House bill.  And I'm having a tough time trying to understand why it wasn't, other than the obvious reason.  I haven't seen anyone here in this thread even attempt to rationalize it being stripped from the bill, let alone the insightful discussion that would lead to.  Would you care to?

      Regarding my recommendation, I've been around these parts since the beginning.  The only reason my ID has four degits in it instead of 2 or 3 is because I was busy working the 2004 primary election and didn't register until after the early primaries.  

      What I've seen this shop degrade into is to be honest disappointing.  I don't read here as much, but I do know that better than anything I've seen in a while, this post has helped illustrate for many who look from afar and who have been here for a while, exactly why DK has gone downhill.  And again, I didn't recommend it for the tone or rhetoric. I'm recommended it for the responses it generated.  Much like yours...

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      by DWCG on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 09:24:30 AM PST

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      •  Uh, no; a lot of activists' (1+ / 0-)
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        time, energy, and money was spent towards a strategy of demanding that the CPC force a Medicare-like public option through congress without regard to whether they could actually do so and without even an attempt to whip votes from the center, demanding stronger legislation from people inclined to block thar rather than from known allies of stronger legislation.

        It's all good, and I don't think that this was a wasted effort or anything, but I think it's pretty f-ing unfair to blame the CPC for the relative weakness of the House bill rather than centrists.  In fact, I find that both unfair and pretty lame.  I thought that efforts to appeal to constituents in centrists' states and districts was yielding better results, but whatever.

        this post has helped illustrate for many who look from afar and who have been here for a while, exactly why DK has gone downhill.

        Yeah, it's gone downhill because there is a cohort of people who are unable to accept tactical criticism without lashing out (ex., this diarist: "thugs!!!!"), and who are unable to keep their contempt for most of this site from dripping out into their every comment and diary.  I kinda feel like, if you hate the site so much, why don't you just leave?

        "At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality..." Nobel Peace Prize Winner President Barack H. Obama

        by GN1927 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 09:31:33 AM PST

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        •  WTF (3+ / 0-)
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          Yeah, it's gone downhill because there is a cohort of people who are unable to accept tactical criticism without lashing out

          Pure hypocritical horseshit.

          Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain

          by Klick2con10ue on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 10:00:37 AM PST

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        •  well...that is certainly true (0+ / 0-)

          Yeah, it's gone downhill because there is a cohort of people who are unable to accept tactical criticism without lashing out

          But to steal a cable news metaphor...it is happening on both sides as we speak...

          "Republicans drove the country into a ditch and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck"-Jim Cornette

          by justmy2 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 10:53:17 AM PST

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          •  Again, no (0+ / 0-)

            we've had an influx of people who believe that the only grassroots contribution to HCR came in the form of super-dubious tactics, with those who opposed (tactially, not ideologically) being labeled thugs, shills, right wing, etc.

            Site tone got rancid and the results are dubious, at best.  Great job.

            "At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality..." Nobel Peace Prize Winner President Barack H. Obama

            by GN1927 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 11:35:31 AM PST

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            •  I think you would admit that you (1+ / 0-)
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              are not exactly a neutral observer...we are in the midst of a three week flame war of which half the recced diaries are about daily that kind of prove my point, and you can go to them to see the vitriol isn't isolated to one side...

              "Republicans drove the country into a ditch and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck"-Jim Cornette

              by justmy2 on Sun Nov 08, 2009 at 11:44:28 AM PST

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