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  •  I am really scared about the delay in healthcare (5+ / 0-)

    reform. Frankly I want this issue to be over and done with. Both conservadems and progressives have delayed the process.

    Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives. John Stuart Mill

    by Micheline on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 05:00:56 PM PST

    •  I am as well. We can't go into 2010 with (1+ / 0-)
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      health care still not done. We have too many other issues we have to address. We need to get health care done.

    •  Unless New Polling Contradicts Gallup's Poll.... (0+ / 0-)

      ...poll last week, I think health care reform legislation died on Friday.

      •  What happened on Friday? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "Dream for just a second and then do it!" -- Kolmogorov

        by theran on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 05:21:21 PM PST

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        •  Gallup Released This Poll..... (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.gallup.com/...

          If I'm an already nervous Democrat considering my ultimate vote on health care reform, I just became a helluva lot more nervous on Friday after looking at this.

          •  It's noise (4+ / 0-)

            If the Dems think like that, they deserve to lose.  They are already all-in on healthcare.  Failure to deliver something means a guaranteed (and deserved) rout.

            Remember after the convention when Obama was a little behind in the polls?  This is the same deal.  

            On the other hand, here is health policy expert Uwe Reinhart interviewed by PBS:

            The bad things are that our financing of health care is really a moral morass. It is a moral morass in the sense that it signals to the doctors and hospitals that human beings have different values depending on their income status. To give you a specific example, in New Jersey, the Medicaid program pays a pediatrician $30 to see a poor child on Medicaid. But the same legislators, through their commercial insurance, pay the same pediatrician $100 to $120 to see their child. ... How do physicians react to it? If you phone around practices in Princeton, Plainsboro, Hamilton -- I did this once, and I think I called 15 practices -- none of them would see Medicaid kids.

            So here you have a country that often relies on these kids to fight their wars, and yet treats them as if they were lower-value human beings through the payment system. I think that is unique. No other country would make a differentiation like that. So that's a disgrace.

            He may have a point, which is that Americans get what is coming to such a people.

            "Dream for just a second and then do it!" -- Kolmogorov

            by theran on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 05:30:50 PM PST

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            •  I Think Most Would-Be Vulnerable Dems..... (0+ / 0-)

              ....would calculate that putting to death a health care bill their constituents wildly oppose would be less politically disastrous to them PERSONALLY than would passing a bill that enrages them.  The Democratic Party's Congressional majority probably doesn't matter to them much.  If I'm Travis Childers or Gene Taylor for instance, I would find it much more politically convenient to be in the minority and thus not accountable for my party's lack of upticket popularity in my district.

      •  Wow. Death by polling? (0+ / 0-)

        This diary really should have opened with "It was a dark and stormy night..."

        I agree with jbou, below. Especially about the "bat shit crazy" part.

        "Women shouldn't be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of women." droogie6655321

        by earicicle on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:06:27 PM PST

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        •  You Really Should Crawl Back Into Your Bubble.... (0+ / 0-)

          .....there might be some secondhand smoke fumes lingering that could be the end of you!  You're right though....I'm the one who's crazy!!!

          Seriously though?  That all you got?  No serious points to discredit anything in the diary?  I guess I should be flattered that I have such a loyal follower tracking my diaries so closely.  If only she wasn't incessantly telling me how about much better she is than the rest of humanity because of her healthy lifestyle.

          •  The serious points are (1+ / 0-)
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            (1) Current polling should be bad, as the final push to passing health care happens.  It will probably pass.

            (2) Large majorities are meant to be used, not perpetuated.

            (3) A lot of this relates to micro issues at the local level; the main causal thing is how well the state budget has been managed.

            (4) A lot can happen in one year, just like a lot happened between the GOP convention and election day.

            Plus, I think this diary misses what I think is the biggest upcoming problem, which is the second great tanking: munis, states, and pension funds.  By their nature, these are getting to their appointment in Samarra a little later than hedge funds, but the outcome will be equally disastrous.

            "Dream for just a second and then do it!" -- Kolmogorov

            by theran on Sun Nov 15, 2009 at 06:23:47 PM PST

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            •  Fair Enough Regarding Your Big Four.... (1+ / 0-)
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              I don't agree at this point that health care will pass and I think it's not just the Democrats' "large majority" at risk but their majority in general, but I welcome the perspective.  Long-term, you are certainly correct about the second great tanking but I'm not clear how you think it directly affects the 2010 midterms which was my main point.

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