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  •  You think that continuous scattershot protest (0+ / 0-)

    against something that might or might not be planned a week or two before the something is even announced is more effective than a storm of protest when it is announced (assuming said storm is even justified by events). You have every right to think so and to act on your convictions.

    I do not.

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
    --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

    by leftist vegetarian patriot on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 03:27:11 PM PST

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    •  Sounds bassackwards to me. nt (1+ / 0-)
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      A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

      by Hound Dog on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 03:46:48 PM PST

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      •  Protest over the long term is effective (0+ / 0-)

        but you are (if I'm understanding you correctly) attempting to create greater protest immediately (in political terms) before a decision is announced and without any suggested alternative but redeployment (pulling out the troops and abandoning Afghanistan to whatever came next).

        If we do so and the President were actually to follow that strategy (whether it was or was not the strategy he'd meant to announce), his Presidency and would be effectively over at that time, because he'd "caved to the hard left fringe." You may not believe me, but I'm okay with killing his political career and influence after (if) he actually makes a decision that looks as if it would prove disastrous, but I'd like to wait until that time, not jump the gun. I am positive that the Republican who would succeed him in this political climate would make far worse choices.

        Nothing President Obama suggests is going to please the right, short of actions I trust he is too moral to take. I honestly believe him when he says that he intends to finish up our involvement in Afghanistan before 2012, in part because I believe that if he doesn't he won't be re-elected and I think he knows that, and in part because I don't think he actually wants us at war. I also don't believe any sane person could think we could "win" an offensive war in Afghanistan inside three years with any number of troops the US could conceivably send in. I do not think he is insane.

        So that's why I'm waiting.

        My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
        --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

        by leftist vegetarian patriot on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 04:10:12 PM PST

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        •  Whenever the spirit (1+ / 0-)
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          moves people to get off their fatty acids and push back is, well, up to them, ain't it?

          For me, it is not so convoluted.

          A few give much, a few give all, and most Americans give....NOTHING! ~~~ Support our troops - Bring them home

          by Hound Dog on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 04:49:44 PM PST

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          •  winning by staying silent is (1+ / 0-)
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            tactic that does not work for me either. Why should we not be proud of what we stand for when it is popular with the American public, and when it is what many of us have been arguing for all this time. I think we should stop considering ourselves as lepers and begin making the case to the American public because we did the same with the Iraq war we can do it with the Afghanistan War.

            "What is the robbing of a Bank compared to the FOUNDING of a Bank?" Bertolt Brecht

            by thethinveil on Thu Nov 19, 2009 at 03:24:53 AM PST

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