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  •  OH NO (1+ / 0-)
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    People will have to cough up $400 to electively abort fetuses (life/rape/incest are still covered).

    Color me unsympathetic to the pro-choice fringe on this one.

    61% of Americans agree with Stupak.  That means a good chunk of people who consider themselves "pro choice" also agree with Stupak since, surprise, it only limits financing for the abortions but not the legal right to the procedure.  

    This site is filled not just with the 39% who oppose Stupak, but the fringe of that 39%.  Its almost like a I fell into a rabbit hole where liberal blogs act just as wing-nutty as the conservative ones do.

    The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny.

    by Tetris on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:00:05 AM PST

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      bay of arizona

      make me understand why some smart people go libertarian, even though libertarianism is clear nonsense: a desire not to associate with this shit.

      "Dream for just a second and then do it!" -- Kolmogorov

      by theran on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:06:45 AM PST

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    •  Health is not covered. (4+ / 0-)
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      Where did you get 61%?

      That 61% of people are pro-life?

      Those are lousy stats, because the questions aren't asked properly.

      Hell, I'm pro-life according to some of those questions, but I am one of those "fringe left" you seem to rail about because I will fight to my last breath to keep this right.

      And I'm also going to guess you are a man, who will never face a pregnancy except vicariously.

      You shouldn't have a choice at all.

      And people need to look up all the definitions of "elective."

      It doesn't mean that you just decide -- it means that it won't outright kill you if you don't do it. Elective, as opposed to emergency.

      Heart bypasses are often elective. Kidney transplants are elective. Prostate surgery is elective. Cancer treatments are elective.

      "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

      by Brooke In Seattle on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:08:18 AM PST

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    •  You are a brave commenter (0+ / 0-)

      You realize that this is heresy! HERESY I SAY!

      The wingnut formula is definitely in play:

      1. Ignore facts.
      1. Ignore polls.
      1. Repeat propaganda as established fact.

      At least in this diary, we have an actual study.  You should probably take the time to read it and respond to what it says, lest you be accused of hypocrisy.

      Harboring resentment is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to die.

      by The Red Pen on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:27:43 AM PST

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    •  And 70% of the country thought (2+ / 0-)
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      bay of arizona, darylita

      Invading Iraq was a brilliant idea.

      Oddly, those 70% don't proudly wear t-shirt to that effect today...

      But they do, I suspect, run around in anonymous forums making the case for Stupak-Pitts.

      Wrong then. Wrong now.

      And the only thing that impresses me about the majority number you're waving around is that 9% wised up to need for skepticism.

    •  You do realize that with the way that this (2+ / 0-)
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      amendment was written, it is very likely that when a pregnancy is miscarried, the woman won't be able to get a D&C covered by insurance unless she's literally on the table dieing from a complication of the miscarriage??  Unless of course she forked over the money herself, which is a few thousand for the procedure.

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