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  •  Sarah Palin's Liberal Twin? (0+ / 0-)

    this amendment is designed to make the lives of child-bearing-age women as painful and dangerous as possible.  

    Oh come on, the purpose is to not funnel federal dollars into elective abortion coverage.  The bill even permits federal funding for abortions necessary to save the mother's life, knocking most of the wind out of your "making it painful and dangerous" argument.

    Seriously dkos, stop it with these strawmen arguments and demagoguery.  You're all acting like the left's answer to Sarah Palin's "death panels."

    Purpose is to make the lives of women painful and dangerous.  Whatever.  

    The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny.

    by Tetris on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:03:46 AM PST

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    •  No exception for health. (8+ / 0-)

      So, if your hydroencephalic fetus completely destroys your uterus and all the plumbing on the way out, and you leak fluids out of your vagina for the rest of your life because some man decided you didn't deserve an abortion because your LIFE wasn't in danger, that would be OK with you?

      Oh, right.

      You're a man. So it's a non-issue for you.

      Good to know.

      "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

      by Brooke In Seattle on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:12:10 AM PST

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      •  But, is it that the purpose? (0+ / 0-)

        But is the purpose of the amendment -- the reason they included it -- to "make the lives of child-bearing-age women as painful and dangerous as possible"?  

        That's what I'm getting at.  Saying that the purpose of the bill is to harm women is demagoguery, plain and simple.

        I agree with you whole-heartedly about the health exception.  I think it's insane it wasn't included with the amendment.  I hope the amendment is amended in conference to include a health exception.  

        However, the purpose of the bill is not to harm women.  Whatever harm comes to them is incidental to the purpose of avoiding the federal financing of unnecessary abortions.

        The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny.

        by Tetris on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:54:50 AM PST

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        •  No, the purpose was to KILL health reform (4+ / 0-)

          It was quite clearly, on the face of it, intended to make the health care reform bill so odious to so many Congressthings that it would fail.

          The plan is SUCCEEDING.

          If it's
          Not your body
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          AND it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:57:20 AM PST

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        •  You're correct that the purpose is not (2+ / 0-)

          to harm women.

          The purpose is to turn the health care fight into an abortion fight and kill health care reform.

          Looks like it's working pretty well, but we'll see.

          The Empire never ended.

          by thejeff on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 08:59:44 AM PST

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        •  How about the amendment (4+ / 0-)

          not existing at all?  You're happy if the amendment includes language for a health exception.  How big of you.

          You simply do not understand the impact of this amendment and what it will mean for women.  

          The purpose of the bill is to strip reproductive rights women have had for decades, the purpose of the bill is to take away all access to abortions and with that purpose comes harm and danger for millions of women so you can paint it whatever color you want but for women, paint us red with rage, and red for the blood that will be spilled, in your words, blood that is 'incidental.'

          I will not die an unlived life. Fuck em, I will not live in fear, I will live out loud and on the record.

          by caliberal on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 10:17:22 AM PST

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    •  Well, that's a new experience. (2+ / 0-)
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      First called a liberal Sarah Palin, then equated to the entire site.  Okaaaaaaaaaaaay....

      Look, this amendment will have an incredibly deleterious effect on women's lives.  Maybe I give our lawmakers too much credit for having brains, but it doesn't take that much intellectual effort to realize that the Stupak amendment is going to set up a really nasty situation for women with problem pregnancies who either need or want to end those pregnancies.  The conservatives have sought the end of abortion -- all abortions, no matter the circumstances -- in this country for decades, almost literally from the day Roe v. Wade was decided.  They know good and well what the consequences will be.  American women lived through them, and too often died because of them, prior to Roe.  Yes, I attribute this to a certain amount of malice.  That is in no small part due to the fact that I've seen precious little good come out of previous, similar restrictions.  

      If you want to essentially call me an idiot because of that, so be it.  Knock yourself out.  It won't change my perceptions in the least.

      "Fighting Fascism is Always Cool." -- Amsterdam Weekly, volume three, issue 18 (-8.50, -7.23)

      by Noor B on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 12:21:18 PM PST

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