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  •  I think this is a point not really relevant here (0+ / 0-)

    Obligatory concession: yes, there have been numerous instances of missionary work that only ended in violence or in destruction in history. No one disputes that here.

    But that doesn't address the point I was making. What that response does accomplish, is to drag this discussion back to times where people were destroyed because governments, settlers, and explorers, who also happened to be Christian, committed such horrible acts. I do not think that such activity happens to any degree now, comparable to back then. So I question whether your missionary conclusions apply really to this day and age.

    To that end, there are Christians who truly are persecuted in this world, with lives ending just as they did back then. My point, however, dealt more with societal perspective. Rules and cultural avoidances towards preaching and missionary work, or evangelizing, may not be persecution, but they may be something else that needs addressing. That is where my discussion was headed.

    •  Yes they do (1+ / 0-)
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      In the hands and minds of the radical religous right the difference between yesterday and today does not exsit. History has shown over and over again that once a radical theocracy exists persecution, repression and death are soon to follow.
      NOT allowing some one to evangelize, in lets say, the Air Force Academy, is the proper thing to do while trying to stop someone from evangelizing in Pago Pago is not. That would be up to the people who live in Pago Pago.
      Missionary/evangelizing work is an affront to the society (outside the US) that it is being done in. It assumes a hubris that is unwarrented and demening to the society it is being attempted in. They may not be putting people to the sword but they are still trying to convert/save the heathens. No difference from the 1300's.
      As far as the truly persecuted christians, that is a strawman argument. Why are they being persecuted? If it is true religous persecution then your point is taken, if it is because they are trying to "missionary" work where it is not wanted, then you have a horse of a different color.

      Sic Semper Tyrannis

      by BrainDrain on Wed Nov 18, 2009 at 11:25:06 AM PST

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      •  It is not always an affront. (0+ / 0-)

        There are significant efforts in evangelism and missionary work today that seek to uphold the culture in which they work in, while still preaching the gospel. Yes, I agree that missionary work can assume the character of hubris when it says that day to day life must be accomplished in a western manner. However, this work seeks to keep the culture intact, with the theology unique to that area, while still preaching a consistent message. I think your definition of "affront" may reach to far, and it appears to confuse radical theocracies and evangelism.

        Those killed for their faith likely include those doing missionary work, as well as for mere practice or belief. However, I think both can be persecution. Whatever color you wish to portray it in, I would hope you are not trying to justify it for their attempts to spread their message. How do you define it? Merriam-Webster defines it as "causing to suffer for belief." If your belief is to spread this message of salvation, and you are killed or caused to suffer for doing so, is that not persecution?

        As a matter of personal evangelism, I don't think it is wrong anywhere, but perhaps on an institutionalized level (i.e. air force) you may have a point. But I don't think that should stop individuals from spreading their message.

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