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  •  i am amazed at the naivete of the panels (0+ / 0-)

    in releasing this info this particular week.

    also, on the mammo study, the costs of "worry, unnecessary biopsy, etc." seem to be pretty petty compared to 15 or so  deaths a year, the cost of skipping the mammos for the age group.  

    those 15 women are somebody's daughter, maybe someone's wife or sister, and heart-breakingly might be someone's mom.  

    and that panel said their lives were worth less than other women's anxiety.  

    "Gloom we always have with us . . . but joy requires tending." Barbara Holland

    by jlms qkw on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 06:50:05 AM PST

    •  yes, but (5+ / 0-)

      the timing is often dictated by publication date, not choice of panel members. They did not choose this week.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 07:10:07 AM PST

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      •  if they did, btw (1+ / 0-)
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        they are really stupid. But I don't believe they did.

        They could have anticipated better though.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 07:14:07 AM PST

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        •  no they didn't choose the date (1+ / 0-)
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          i read/heard/saw an interview with one of them, and a former member, and the timing was just when it was done.

          they admitted to being completely unaware of how it would be received, however.  

          and the folks with the pap smear study were aware, but it was time to release their study too.  

          i just wonder - are men's health issues ever political football?  

          "Gloom we always have with us . . . but joy requires tending." Barbara Holland

          by jlms qkw on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 07:28:09 AM PST

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    •  But screening does not save lives! (2+ / 0-)
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      All my IP addresses have been banned from Redstate.com.

      by charliehall on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 07:46:18 AM PST

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      •  I will use that link (0+ / 0-)

        in my Sunday piece.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 08:02:01 AM PST

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      •  the panel should hire that diarist (1+ / 0-)
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        for their public relations position.  

        they present the information more clearly.  

        i wonder why screening doesn't save lives.  and i wonder what will.  (save lives).  

        and of course, heart disease, stroke, and diabetes are far greater killers of women and no one is screaming about that.  

        "Gloom we always have with us . . . but joy requires tending." Barbara Holland

        by jlms qkw on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 08:08:06 AM PST

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        •  Thanks -- feel free to nominate me for membership (2+ / 0-)
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          Charles B. Hall, PhD
          Professor
          Division of Biostatistics, Department of Epidemiology and Population Health
          Department of Neurology
          Albert Einstein College of Medicine

          All my IP addresses have been banned from Redstate.com.

          by charliehall on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 08:47:35 AM PST

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        •  Why mammography screening doesn't save lives (4+ / 0-)
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          or, more precisely, kills as manhy women as it saves:

          The truth is, we don't know. But here are some of the possible reasons:

          1. The radiation from the mammograms may actually be causing lethal breast tumors.
          1. The side effects from surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy can be lethal.
          1. Mammography is very good at picking up non-lethal tumors, but isn't very good at picking up lethal tumors at an early enough stage to make a difference.
          1. Women get a false sense of security from a negative mammogram and don't notice other signs of a possible tumor.
          1. Cancer treatments aren't as efficacious as we'd like them to be.

          I suspect it is a combination of the above and maybe some things not listed.

          All my IP addresses have been banned from Redstate.com.

          by charliehall on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 08:51:57 AM PST

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    •  Worry and anxiety is downplayed as nothing (1+ / 0-)
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      but there's 3 months of my life I don't even remember when I was referred unnecessarily to a breast surgeon. It took me a while before I even had the strength of character to go, and when I got there, he felt that I had been referred inappropriately. It's really bad for your neural pathways to get that kind of stimulation for so long, and took a long time to stop thinking about the consequences, even after it was revealed as a false alarm.

      I think it's good for women to get to choose what they'd like to do, rather than the blanket recommendation of "you must go, you're irresponsible if you don't."

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 12:57:19 PM PST

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