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  •  Tell this to the woman (3+ / 0-)
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    elfling, FishBiscuit, lp3161

    who has aggressive treatment for a non-lethal tumor and dies from the side effects of the treatment. It happens!

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    by charliehall on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 08:54:11 AM PST

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    •  Wouldn't That Be Medical Malpractice Then? (2+ / 0-)
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      If the doctor gives the wrong treatment and kills someone, that doesn't sound like a reason to not test people. Saying that not test people because a doctor "gives the wrong treatment" has it backwards - work on getting better trained doctors instead of eliminating tests.

      •  Medical malpractice (2+ / 0-)
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        is harm that can be shown to result from a professional's failure to follow his/her profession's standard of care. Honest mistakes (like performing aggressive treatment for a "cancer" that's really a false positive) aren't malpractice.

        This is a common misconception about malpractice. True malpractice reform would involve setting up a no-fault system (similar to the one we have for vaccine-related injuries) to compensate people who have been injured by honest and/or unavoidable (except in hindsight) medical mistakes and reserving litigation for genuine cases of negligence.

        There is nothing so practical as a good theory—Kurt Lewin

        by ebohlman on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 10:02:16 AM PST

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        •  So If It Is Standard To Give The Wrong Treatment (4+ / 0-)
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          That sounds like better tests and/or new treatments are needed instead of throwing up your hands. If wrong surgical actions are taken, they'll still be done wrong when people are 50. Avoiding the tests doesn't address the alleged underlying problem as you still get it as long as you test anyone at all. Afterall, couldn't a 50+ year old woman get "aggressive treatment for a non-lethal tumor and dies from the side effects of the treatment"?

          •  yes. if a doctor is afraid of that, test twice (0+ / 0-)

            before treating aggressively and request a better test.  This is turning what otherwise may have been supporters of the "panel" to oppose it, and I don't blame them (I may even join them).

          •  False positives are less common among 50+ (0+ / 0-)

            because their breasts image differently.

            But yes, a better diagnostic test with a lower false positive rate would obviously change the calculations.

            Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

            by elfling on Fri Nov 20, 2009 at 01:19:57 PM PST

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