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  •  this will be buried (3.50)
    Obviously, I don't listen to conservative radio hosts (unless I'm purposely trying to expunge the contents of my stomach), so I have no idea if this guy has a large enough following for his article to make its way into the national discussion. But we all know that conservatives dominate media commentary and set the issues, with the rest of the MSM following along.

    So I would imagine that no one will touch this issue (both the article and the larger point behind it). Scarborough/Buchanan (or whoever's hosting what's supposed to be Scarborough's show) will not talk about it. I'd bet Rush and Hannity wouldn't give it much attention. Certainly, the castrated MSM would be terrified of possibly upsetting the Religious Right.

    The only way Baldwin would get to make his case on a show like Hannity's would be as a sacrificial lamb for Hannity's rage.

    Baldwin: I really feel the Religious Right is not truly reflecting the--
    Hanity: And what do you know? You don't speak for the Religious Right! Let's ask our other guest Ann Coulter what she thinks about this. This is insanity, isn't it, Ann?
    Ann Coulter: Hold on a sec, Sean, I'm readjusting my testicles. Damn short skirts.

    •  Maybe- but it gives me hope (4.00)
      If you go to his site he has been on CNN and a few other tv shows so he has some 'position'.

      The reason I posted it is to give it some exposure as it gives me some hope. I have been feeling more uneasy daily as I sense the insanity that is creeping over America and knowing now that even one on the other side is starting to notice the insanity also, maybe things will even out some and life will normalize. Unfortunately I think some major events are coming down the pike that will change us for the worse and I don't know what to do to stop any of it. I guess to be as aware as one can be is my only defense right now.

      •  yes indeed (none)
        I definitely agree that it gives hope. The sad thing is, Democrats are so powerless against the onslaught of the Religious Right these days that the only people who can slow them down are other conservatives.
        •  That's why we should use this (none)
          Reverse psychology. Most of the right are not going to listen to any of us, but this , from one of their own with a radio show and some media exposure, will at least get to them as food for thought..hopefully!
        •  Democrats have MADE ourselves powerless... (none)
          ... if we had any leaders worthy of the name, they would be pointing out the obvious and the unconstitutional in the church-state alliance that BushCo has formed.  Churches that were pulling in big bucks for things other than charitable works would be taxed, and churches that did political work would be challenged and taxed as well.

          But they are too afraid and/or co-opted to lead the charge on this issue, and stick with it when it gets tough ['cause it would get very, very tough].  The Dems in DC seem to worry more about how the Republic base will react than how their own base would react.

          So we're left waiting, hoping the Fundie Right makes a mis-step and gives itself an injury seriuos enough to take them out of the game for a while.

          Pathetic.

          So, yeah, we got a tough few years/decades ahead of us.

          Those who fail to learn from history...are invited to submit an application for a position in the Bush administration.

          by Timoteo on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 05:00:03 AM PST

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          •  Yes (none)
            The party seems to be afraid to stand up for the Constitutional separation of church and state.

            I'm a member of a minority group: the reality-based community.

            by Unstable Isotope on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 05:39:25 AM PST

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          •  Amen to that (4.00)
            Those Docile DC Dems are so worried about what  Republicans think of them. They shun their own just to curry favor with the Repubs. It's sickening.

            Look at Peter Beinhart of The New Republic and the DLC's mission to eject Michael Moore from the Democratic Party. Only in the Democratic Party would something like that happen. Oh and lets not forget the shameless treatement of Howard Dean by the DLC and Al From in particular during the primaries. Al actually participated in a panel discussion where he and Newt Ginghrich, like a World Wrestling Federation tag team, dumped on Howard Dean. I began to wonder what party Al was supporting??? With friends like him, who needs enemies. Then during the Democratic Convention Margaret Cho's show was cancelled. Oh and the treatment of Whoopi Goldberg after her Bush remarks. Those docile DC Dems were quick to distance themselves from her. "Whoopi who? I never met her or if I did it was dark and I wasn't aware who I was talking to."

            The Repubs have loonies like Michael Savage and Ann Coulter but I have yet to hear any of their party leaders saying Ann or Mike don't represent their party and should be kicked out.

            Those docile DC Dems just don't get it. They can  change their hair style, wear a different color, get a new wardrobe, use breath mints, spout bible verses, sign off on the Medicare bill BUT none of it will matter -- they will still not be invited into the cool kids Republican clique. Rush will still call them godless cowards and Ann will continue to rail that they should be shot as traitors.

          •  Yes! (none)
            Why does tax-exempt status remain on churches who violate non-politicking rule...

            ... while the NAACP is forced to defend itself on the same grounds?

            sigh  

        •  why are dems powerless? (none)
          Oh.... because of the constant belittling they get from the left.

          "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

          by bluestateLIBertarian on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 05:04:24 AM PST

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          •  Where are Schumer, Feingold, Tim Ryan? (none)
            I wish the more outspoken Dems would speak up on this.
          •  If they listened to the left (none)
            They would know that we criticize them for being too cowardly in the face of GOP bullying.  It's not so much that they're principles are too moderate, but that they don't stand up for their own principles.  

            "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

            by Subterranean on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 12:29:42 PM PST

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        •  Despite all their support for Bush . . . (4.00)
          Bush and his billionaire friends are going to stab all their sadly misguided Christian Right supporters in the back.

          Most of those poor, Red State evangelicals are barely making ends meet economically. And what's their thanks for supporting Bush? Social Security "reform" and "health spending accounts." Not to mention all the drastic domestic spending cuts we're going to see next month after Bush-Cheney, Inc. are inaugurated and begin spending all their "political capital."

          •  Ah, but (none)
            according the televangelists, when you "give out of your need" you get it back tenfold, right?  These poor suckers have been conditioned by their Leaders to give, give, give, and when they get nothing in return to examine their hearts to see if they may been impure.  
        •  that is (none)
          because we are not reframing the message.

          What is the real point of the audacious use of inflamatory religious rhetoric? Arguing all day point by point,  "Jesus is mine. No he's mine.", is a no win situation. You have to change the argument to focus on what the real issue is. Politicizing Jesus on such a  large scale is Wrong! Stay out of my church!

          this is the perfect opportunity for that infamous re-frame.

          It is not that our leaders are religious,
          ....it is that they are putting the government in the church.
          A clear violation of religious privacy.
          And liberty in large measure relies on the right to privacy.

          Stay out of my library
          Stay out of my e-mail
          Stay out of my newspaper
          Stay out of my medical records.
          Stay out of my phone calls.
          And stay out of my church!

          ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

          by missliberties on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 08:29:02 AM PST

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      •  it ties in with my diary (none)
        from the other day about how the republicker party is going to split on its own and how we can bust it wide open

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/16/11166/231
        I was looking for where we can drive wedges and this is certianly a point to focus on.

        mother do you think they'll drop the bomb

        by dog on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 07:57:56 AM PST

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    •  Chuck Baldwin is the real deal (4.00)
      Good for him!  Recall that Pat Robertson said some of the same things about Bush- before the election.  Baptists traditionally have a strong anti-authoritarian streak, nice to see it coming into play against Bushco rather than the "liberal establishment".  Perhaps the 3 branch controll of the GOP is coming home to roost.  If Southern politics are as anti-authority as they appear then this could bode a possibility of a rapid shift back to the "rebel" Democrats (Yeaarghhh! anyone?)  He is also pointing up a wedge issue that we can use with the Religious Right- People like Balwin see the state as inimical or neutral at best to the Christian witness (mission).  However, there are also many who do beleive that a "Christian" head of state is the vicar of Christ on Earth- a "Holy Roman Emperor".  Read Hobbes' description of Kingly authority, it is exactly the authority Bush claims and is given by some members of the Religious right.  For protestant denominations that kept this little tidbit of Church of England royalty worsip, Bush's actions are inspired and infalliable and it is a religious duty to obey him.  Creepy hunh.

      Might and Right are always fighting In our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning. Might can hardly keep from grinning. -Clarence D

      by Myrkury on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 05:17:09 AM PST

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      •  You nailed it! (none)
        Wow, it IS creepy.

        Theory is when we know everything and nothing works. Practice is when everything works and nobody knows why. (Einstein)

        by CodeTalker on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 05:36:37 AM PST

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      •  Well Pat Robertson was made to kneel (none)
        And say his comments were just an awkward way of saying that Bush was God's instrument on earth, or some other such rubbish.
        •  I have dubbed such people republickers (4.00)
          because they spend so much time Licking W's boots

          mother do you think they'll drop the bomb

          by dog on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 08:32:57 AM PST

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        •  Robertson manages a broad coalition (none)
          he is a politician and business magnate after all, he spends a lot of time straddling.  His comments pro and anti Bush pretty consistently evade coming down on one side or another, but IMHO are more sonsistant with personal beleifs more in keeping with a Baptist tradition, (although isn't he Assemblies of God (which seem to be all over the place on this point)?) I forget.) To a Baptist (and like minded protestants), the president may be a vehicle for God's will and one prays for the President to be receptive to God's will, and is respectful of his political authority.  However, to a Hobbesian Christian- if a president is elected by Christians the President's will is the vehicle for the implementation of Christ's rulership and one prays for the ability to follow the leadership of the President as inspired.
          From Chap 18 of the Leviathan:
          ...it is annexed to the sovereignty to be judge of what opinions and doctrines are averse, and what conducing to peace; and consequently, on what occasions, how far, and what men are to be trusted withal in speaking to multitudes of people; and who shall examine the doctrines of all books before they be published. For the actions of men proceed from their opinions, and in the well governing of opinions consisteth the well governing of men's actions in order to their peace and concord. And though in matter of doctrine nothing to be regarded but the truth, yet this is not repugnant to regulating of the same by peace. For doctrine repugnant to peace can no more be true, than peace and concord can be against the law of nature. It is true that in a Commonwealth, where by the negligence or unskillfulness of governors and teachers false doctrines are by time generally received, the contrary truths may be generally offensive: yet the most sudden and rough bustling in of a new truth that can be does never break the peace, but only sometimes awake the war. For those men that are so remissly governed that they dare take up arms to defend or introduce an opinion are still in war; and their condition, not peace, but only a cessation of arms for fear of one another; and they live, as it were, in the procincts of battle continually. It belonged therefore to him that hath the sovereign power to be judge, or constitute all judges of opinions and doctrines, as a thing necessary to peace; thereby to prevent discord and civil war.

          This is the "culture war"- as far as Hobbesian (aka Dominionist) Christians feel that the Government is "Apostate" they are in a state of "war" and can do anything to install a "true Christian" sovereign.  Once such sovereign is installed they rule by divinely mandated autocracy, this is their "peaceable kingdom".  I guess Bush will just make the lion and lamb lie down together by forcing them to be psych tested and then heavily sedated.

          Might and Right are always fighting In our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning. Might can hardly keep from grinning. -Clarence D

          by Myrkury on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 09:39:47 AM PST

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          •  Well how convienient, (none)
            and how hypocritical. So when a Republican is in the White House you have to be obedient because he is God's instrument. When a Democrat is in the White House what then? He is the Devil's instrument?
            •  You got it! (none)
              Why do you think they hated Clinton so much?

              Might and Right are always fighting In our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning. Might can hardly keep from grinning. -Clarence D

              by Myrkury on Sun Dec 19, 2004 at 02:03:17 PM PST

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      •  Anti-authoritarian Baptists (4.00)
        Many people forget that the last two Democratic Presidents were both Southern Baptists.
        •  Robert Johnson says (none)
          "Gonna get me religion
           gonna join the Baptist Church
           Gonna be the best preacher
           so I don't have to work."
          Do what Mr. Johnson says.

          Might and Right are always fighting In our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning. Might can hardly keep from grinning. -Clarence D

          by Myrkury on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 03:56:02 PM PST

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    •  We have got to at least try (none)
      to Get the message out! I know someone can do it.

      (Ann Coulter's testicles........too funny! Do you think she has had a sex change operation or a chromazone realignment? Haa!)

      ...people will always vote for the sunshine, not for the darkness

      by missliberties on Sat Dec 18, 2004 at 08:15:53 AM PST

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