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  •  58 yr old engineer here (6+ / 0-)

    This is nice, but if you actually provide jobs for scientists, engineers, and whatnot the universities and primary schools usually take care of themselves.  As does innovation.

    •  And without industry, who cares? (5+ / 0-)

      No American can compete with Asia on salary.  Even if the American is better, CEOs will happily hire 2 Chineese engineers to do the job and muddle through.
      Now sure if you're a whiz then you can hold your own and maybe still pull a decent salary.  But usually you need to get your feet wet first and learn stuff.  And the entry level positions are now all in China.  The factory floor where a lot of lessons are learned, are now in China.

      We're going to spend a ton of money to teach kids to innovate, and what happens once they do?  We innovate, and China gets rich building it.  Then China learns exactly how that innovation works, how to improve it, redesign it, and then they're designing, building and selling version 2.0.

      Globalization has screwed us over, there is no future for technology positions in this country when the CEOs are only interested in farming out the work to the lowest bidder.

      Either we get a handle on trade, or our unemployment will keep rising until a Chineese slave wage looks good.  Which is of course, their whole plan.

      •  I'm not that negative (5+ / 0-)

        but looking at technical employment, it sure appears to me that the U.S. has all the scientists and engineers it wants, with some left over.  I'm not sure we need to stockpile a bunch more.

      •  Especially In A Society Where 'Cheap' (5+ / 0-)

        Even if the American is better, CEOs will happily hire 2 Chineese engineers to do the job and muddle through.

        Is the holy grail to be pursued at all costs, whatever it happens to be is not designed to be repaired but replaced, and even if you could find someone to repair it, the shipping costs to return it to Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan, etc. to be repaired are greater than the original cost of the unit because the original cost of the unit excludes all of the externalities involved in its production.

        <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

        by superscalar on Mon Nov 23, 2009 at 01:25:54 PM PST

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