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  •  People buy results. They (1+ / 0-)
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    don't buy the process. Once job numbers start improving beginning early next year you'll see improvement in the outlook. Once HCR, jobs bill, immigration reform etc. are enacted you'll see better numbers. That's just the way it is.

    •  This assumes a lot, IMO (0+ / 0-)

      If Stupak makes it through, forget about women. Rational or otherwise, you will lose too many of them. While I am relatively far left and have yet to abandon this admin, many already have, and absent some worthwhile health care reform, they are going to lose more liberals than they already have. Any fiscally conservative Dems would seem to me to be a toss up. The unemployed and underemployed, I'd say toss up leaning Indy or Repub at this point.

      As of now, it would seem the best thing Dems have going for them is the fact that people still hate Republicans, and I would gather that any bump from HCR will be short lived, and because they already know the result will be shitty, that may be one reason they are content to stretch the process out - so they can see some of that bump in the midterms.

      We shall see. I'll be intersted in seeing if Reid's numbers go up if something comes out of the Senate. You could be right. I'll be happy to be wrong, but they are going to have a tough time turning this slide around, IMO.

      Slap happy is a platform.

      by averageyoungman on Fri Nov 27, 2009 at 03:47:57 PM PST

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      •  I think healthcare reform will (0+ / 0-)

        be much more important than the Stupak amendment.

        Lately we've seen idealogical issues such as abortion falling by the way side with regards to economic issues like health care reform. I don't think the Stupak amendment will be nearly as bad for the Democrats as the health care reform bill not passing.

        •  Except HCR as it stands doesn't address... (2+ / 0-)
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          The cost of premiums. They will continue to go up, perhaps exponentially, given that doing so will be one of the only easily identifiable ways for private insurers to continue appeasing Wall street with profits. And the reason economics are at play is because the economy still sucks. Not sure how that's going to be good for Democrats.

          In my opinion, they need to do some serious damage control, because other than that and with no Bush to run against, all they have is "party of no."

          And honestly, if Stupak isn't important, the Dem party is in way bigger trouble than we're acknowledging here.

          Slap happy is a platform.

          by averageyoungman on Fri Nov 27, 2009 at 03:56:37 PM PST

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      •  Two things. One, Stupak won't pass (0+ / 0-)

        as there aren't votes to get it through. Secondly, far left is irrelevant in off-year elections as they don't usually vote for Democrats. 2006 and 2008 were anomaly as far left was voting against Bush and for the only option- Democrats. Far left makes up about 1-2% of the total electorate catering to which may result in bigger losses among moderates and more reliable voters.

        •  I don't agree with the characterzation "far left" (0+ / 0-)

          And personally I think it's a great way to alienate yet another segment of the constituency. But I digress...

          I will be happy to see Stupak be defeated if that's the case, although I'm not sure where you derive whatever numbers say it won't, given that we barely got the bill out of the house as is. And I still think that with economic conditions as they are, and the fact that neither bill addresses the crisis in premiums, that people are not going to buy it. When premiums rise, especially if jobs have not been addressed, do you think anyone is going to be motivated? I really doubt it.

          Rather than walking the razor's edge trying to hedge their bets between the electorate and lobbyists, they need to go to the butcher for some red meat, otherwise I'll fall back on what I said before, which is that all they have is "party of no" - and I'll add that they might have the benefit of a money advantage.

          Slap happy is a platform.

          by averageyoungman on Fri Nov 27, 2009 at 04:03:15 PM PST

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