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    •  yes in Ireland for one... (1+ / 0-)
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      the in mosque in south Dublin (Goatstown) (up higher than the rest of Dublin AND all the churches down below) was built without a standard minaret. No calls to prayer loudspeakers either (cell phones can be used...) sort of a non-working compromise cupola mini-ret on top...

      and there are storefront "mosques"/places of worship in the US and plenty of other places that do not have Minarets...

      And what about the reverse situation? Is this all some sort of competition for religious suppression or tolerance? It often is....

      Consider that churches and/or steeples and bells are banned in a number of places in the Islamic world...

      Building permit problems for churches if anything are even more of a problem in most Islamic countries...

      And attempts to build churches are not in their face, high profile mega church projects proposed to change the skyline and tower over neighboring historic mosques... but the reverse has happened in the West...

      And why is that? (check out the problems the Coptic Christians have in Egypt even just getting permission to repair an existing church).. It seems to do with whose prayers are higher up or something... and not having the shadow from a church fall on a mosque...

      They seem have a thing about Altitude for places of worship... The World Trade Center had a chapel way up high...think about it... The blind store-front sheik in New Jersey who encouraged the first attack in the early 80's... could not abide the arrogance of the unbelievers having any prayers emanating from a higher vantage place...etc... And elsewhere in the world it seems to be very important to have the "Tallest Building" located somewhere in the Islamic world.... and not just for economic bragging rights.

      And why did they have to have a Saudi Astronaut (a Saudi Prince by the way) on one of the Shuttle flights a while ago?... He did his daily prayers in orbit... can't get prayers done any higher than that so far... so that's taken care of...(but keeping the timing and direction not to mention strapping to the "floor" was problematical... velcro woven in?) but back on earth... far from settled...

      Minarets were also a symbol in earlier times of showing who was running things in new territories that still had a large number of unbelievers... sort of religious kind the hill game... and all religions do it actually... take over the previous guys high holy place or tear it down...

      Most Muslims these days (at least in the West) probably do not buy into this sort of symbolic one-upmanship... but the crazies still do.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 05:39:44 AM PST

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    •  We have a lot of mosques in the Bronx (3+ / 0-)
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      but I haven't seen a minaret. The Muslim community is mostly composed of poor immigrants; I hope that they can build themselves a beautiful mosque with a minaret soon.

      (And I am an Orthodox Jew who prayed yesterday at a synagogue that was targeted in a foiled bombing plot by a Muslim terrorist group. Unlike some of the bigots here, I distinguish between religious adherents and people who use religion as an excuse for terror.)

      All my IP addresses have been banned from

      by charliehall on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 06:54:05 AM PST

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