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  •  I'd say that that would have a lot to do with (0+ / 0-)

    what one gives a damn about. If there is little difference between the choices one is given, then to not give a damn about which one implements policies one does not like is a natural consequence.

    A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

    by nippersdad on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 11:37:00 AM PST

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    •  that's the problem exactly... (1+ / 0-)
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      I remember when everyone was sitting on their hands saying they wouldn't vote because the two parties are the same old corporate shills and we don't really have a choice... That was in 1999, Bush vs. Gore. Bush was handed the Presidency with a ~500 vote margin. If you still believe the two parties are the same after that, you need to think long and hard about what we lost since 2000, starting with 3000 americans on 9/11, our reputation as a nation, the goodwill of our allies, three trillion dollars thrown at an invasion of a sovereign nation, a decade of lost progress on energy independence and the fight against warming, our economy....

      •  I hear you, (2+ / 0-)
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        but I also remember all of the VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE in the Democratic Party who practically had orgasms at the opportunity to pass much of Bush's legislation. Dianne Feinstein, right now, is at the forefront of the move to create a commission to cut entitlements in order to bring down the deficit spending during a likely Depression. I notice that when war funding came up a month or so ago I heard absolutely nothing whatsoever from her about fiscal prudence.

        What we lost in 2000 was the ability to honestly say that there really is much of a difference between the Parties because the only truly bipartisan measures we have seen over the past decade have led to:

        (after losing) 3000 americans on 9/11, (we lost) our reputation as a nation, the goodwill of our allies, three trillion dollars thrown at an invasion of a sovereign nation, a decade of lost progress on energy independence and the fight against warming, our economy....

        Reality dictates that one also admit that the Democratic Party has been an enabling force in all of htat which you cite. There are no innocent parties here.

        A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

        by nippersdad on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 12:17:00 PM PST

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        •  Imagine if Gore had been President n/t (0+ / 0-)
          •  Imagine if Lieberman had been VP? (0+ / 0-)

            Your argument is dishonest.

            A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

            by nippersdad on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 12:48:32 PM PST

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            •  Lieberman believes the same as you, (0+ / 0-)

              that parties don't matter. After 2000 his loyalty shifted to himself. The right to vote is precious and I'll never understand those who try to make a case for giving that up.

              •  Lieberman's views have no points of contact with (0+ / 0-)

                my own. Lieberman is, and always has been, a Republican. That is what the DLC is, the corporatist (Republican) wing of the Democratic Party. His views have not shifted and neither have those of his fellow idealogues, as can easily be discerned by the actions of Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton. They are doing the same things they did fifteen years ago and will be doing the same things fifteen years from now.

                This is just pointing out a political reality, I fail to see how you can take that and turn it into my having somehow made a clarion call for giving up the right to vote. If you keep voting for DLC candidates, whether they admit to membership or not, you will continue to have base problems within the Democratic Party until the Democratic Party has lost all credibility. We are nearly there, and it would be unwise to tell me that no one could have predicted it when so many of us did just that last year.

                A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

                by nippersdad on Mon Nov 30, 2009 at 01:46:42 PM PST

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