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  •  What is Obama useful for then? (2+ / 6-)

    No univeral healthcare
    No cap and trade
    Insufficient stimulus
    No gay rights legislation
    Escalation of Afghanistan

    This is a fucking nightmare and every Democrat is going to pay for this.  

    •  This isn't about Obama (8+ / 0-)
      1.  Universal health care is being held up by the Republican Senators.
      1.  Cap and trade is passed by the House and the Senate will bring it up in 2010.
      1.  Both the House and the Senate are working on jobs bills.
      1.  The next money for defense will have the repeal of DADT attached to it according to Franks.
      1.  Escalation of Afghanistan is what Obama campaigned on since 2007.  Obviously you were NOT paying attention.

      Obama 7/09: "Don't bet against us" (unless the Dems screw it up).

      by Drdemocrat on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:12:57 PM PST

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      •  Disagree with point 1 (0+ / 0-)

        Republican Senators do not have the votes to hold up HCR.  

        HCR is being held up by Democratic Senators and Joe Liebermann.  Not Republicans.  They've never been part of the equation in the Senate.  Reid did not write this bill with any consideration of the Republicans and never expected them to support it.  

    •  you've made your point, ad nauseum (3+ / 0-)
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      kefauver, Bouwerie Boy, boofdah

      can't you go haunt Red State now?

      Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

      by SottoVoce on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:15:16 PM PST

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    •  You Should Ask: "What are Republicans Good For?" (2+ / 0-)
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      Bouwerie Boy, boofdah

      Other than a doorstop, not much.

      And No, I Don't Support the Escalation in Afghanistan.

      by kefauver on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:21:37 PM PST

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      •  But we expect nothing of them. (1+ / 0-)
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        We expected something from Obama.  In fact, we expected a lot from him.  Real leadership.  A fighting spirit.  Change.  Not incremental tinker-around-the-edges-so-the-Republicans-don't-say-mean-things type change.  Real, fundamental change in the way our country is run.  

        So far, the only evidence of change is that he's less of an asshole to foreign countries, and we haven't bombed Iran.  Those aren't nothing.  But Gitmo is still open.  We're still in Iraq.  We're diving deeper into the jungles of Vietnam mountains of Afghanistan. What's more troubling is that on the domestic front, he's been an empty suit so far.  It's not that nothing has been accomplished on his watch.  The fair pay act and hate crimes legislation couldn't have been signed into law by a Republican and again, that's not nothing, but he refuses to take a leadership role on anything domestic, including things he explicitly campaigned on.  That's tremendously disappointing.

        Clearly, I need to find a witty sig line.

        by libdevil on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:02:37 PM PST

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        •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

          They're elected to serve the public, even if they happen to disagree with what the public wants. Take health care for instance. None of them will lift a finger to support health care reform, and that's just the beginning.

          Instead of a few crossing party lines and voting for what's right, they will vote as a block to make sure Obama and Democrats fail. It's really despicable.

          And No, I Don't Support the Escalation in Afghanistan.

          by kefauver on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 03:49:39 PM PST

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          •  Of course it's despicable. (1+ / 0-)
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            But it's not surprising, and it can't really be disappointing.  That's who these people are.  If we let Eric Rudolph out of jail and he blew up an abortion clinic, I'd be horrified, but not disappointed.  He can't disappoint me, because I expect him to be a horrible human being.  Republican politicians are like that too.  I expect them to be awful people, so I'm not disappointed by their behavior.  Saddened, disgusted, outraged, infuriated? Yeah.  But not surprised.

            Clearly, I need to find a witty sig line.

            by libdevil on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 04:00:37 PM PST

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    •  And this is troll rated for what exactly? (0+ / 0-)

      They've got Charles Darwin trapped out there on highway 5" Bob Dylan

      by NearlyNormal on Wed Dec 02, 2009 at 02:43:17 PM PST

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    •  Well, there is no draft, no martial law (0+ / 0-)

      and no (official) domestic torture program.  Basically, by voting Democratic, you are making it so the wingnuts won't get in power and try to stick you in a concentration camp.

      •  When do we get/fight for a Democracy? (0+ / 0-)

        An election system based on the idea of preventing whackos from ruining the country is a sick joke. It is not a democracy at all. It's extortion. Vote for us, or suffer the wrath of the Bad Cop.

        •  Yeah. Sucks, doesn't it? (0+ / 0-)

          But as long as most people don't give a damn about anything other than crap like American Idol, what else can be done?  Is it even possible to win a fight for democracy when the majority of the population is happy with the current bread and circuses?

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