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    •  Note from mcc111 (1+ / 0-)
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      KentuckyKat

      There's a tossoff in Jillian's post today that the NY marriage vote was "known to be doomed". Personally I don't think I agree with that, and I think even if it failed the NY vote was important and useful because NY activists should now have a clearer idea of what (who) is preventing a marriage bill from passing. It seems likely knowing this will make it easier to make a future marriage vote succeed.

      The NY vote specifically aside though, it does really frustrate me to continually see the marriage issue flush out ENDA from getting any kind of attention-- ENDA seems to me from like july until a couple weeks ago to have been the #1 gay rights priority for the national Democrats but barely a priority at all for the netroots. For the netroots what matters has been marriage and DADT and little else gets an airing. I realize this is stupid, but I can't help but wonder if it's a coincidence that in his comment that seemed to be shelving ENDA Barney Frank said something that seemed to imply the dems were shifting focus to DADT and DPBOA (a marriage bill)-- basically the two things the grassroots seems to have communicated are what they care about.

      I personally have tried to give attention to both local/marriage issues in my own area and issues like ENDA at the federal level. I don't see why we as a community can't do the same thing-- balance state and federal issues-- but it often seems like state and federal issues get treated like we can focus on exactly one.

      I don't know if I'm making sense here or not.

      •  The grassroots don't care about ENDA (1+ / 0-)
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        KentuckyKat

        and the Dems do because it is a meaningless symbolic gesture the Dems can use to say they are doing something.

        The marketplace has taken care of job discrimination against gays long ago, and it is rare to find a major company which doesn't have an anti-discrimination policy.

        (Transfolk are a different story so Barney et. al. are very iffy on that).

        The only part of society which has written policies discriminating agains GLBTs is the government - and DOMA and DADT are the big ones on the federal level, and marriage equality on the state level.

        I will start when I take office. America is ready to get rid of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. All that is required is leadership." - Obama

        by tiponeill on Thu Dec 03, 2009 at 09:42:56 AM PST

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        •  Okay well look (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm a crossdresser who might someday need to get a job in North Carolina. It doesn't feel very symbolic to me.

          •  I understand (0+ / 0-)

            and that is why I pointed out that it's sole effect was on transfolk - I also opposed Barney's effort to remove trans protections from the bill.

            I am simply pointing out why the grassroots are more interested in things which are more than symbolic to them, and I will be very surprised if the Dems don't strip trans protection from the bill - then pass that and claim they have actually done something.

            We are all being played

            I will start when I take office. America is ready to get rid of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. All that is required is leadership." - Obama

            by tiponeill on Thu Dec 03, 2009 at 10:09:06 AM PST

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            •  Just because many fortune 500 and large companies (2+ / 0-)
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              have anti-discrimination provisions doesn't mean that this bill will have no impact aside from transgender inclusion (which I agree is non-negotiable).

              I know a number of folks who cannot be out at work because of the risk they face as public employees in the south (especially teachers, who can barely even support LGBT youth when harassed by classmates).  Many small companies still practice active discrimination.  While I agree that transgendered individuals need this bill more, as they have no closet to hide in, I think you are creating a straw man in terms of who this bill will affect.

              I have no help to send, therefore I must go myself. ~ Tolkien

              by Mad Biologist on Thu Dec 03, 2009 at 10:44:32 AM PST

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        •  People think we have it (3+ / 0-)
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          There was a rec list diary just weeks ago where a poster said his boss had told him to "fire the fag" and sooooooooooooo many Kossacks just stated emphatically, "he can get his ass sued for that!" Turned out, the diariest was in one of the 32 states that that sort of thing is perfectly legal. So, no the boss couldn't.

          This was a revelation to far too many Kossacks, alas. It's very disheartening.

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