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  •  Another problem with this (3+ / 0-)

    Mostly libertarianism says that regular people can take care of themselves, their families and their lives on their own.  That when people are free from tyrants, safe in their own persons and property and able to reap the rewards from their work, the world will run just fine.

    Is that in a libertarian world (where all individuals are free to govern themselves), the average individual cannot ensure that they are 'safe in their own persons and property', and thus are susceptible to tyrants (whether it be a king or a neighbor), as there is always someone tougher, smarter and greedier than they.  So forget about reaping the rewards from their work.

    In having established this baseline in what needs to be in place in order to even start thinking about libertarian principles, I think the diarist acknowledges that government of one form or another is needed in order to define and enforce this baseline.  Because an individual simply cannot do it.

    Therefore I think we only differ in a matter of degree.  We have different ideas on how much and in what areas the government is needed in order to provide us with the security he describes Libertarianism as needing.

    •  You have a misconception of libertarianism. (3+ / 0-)
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      Is that in a libertarian world (where all individuals are free to govern themselves), the average individual cannot ensure that they are 'safe in their own persons and property', and thus are susceptible to tyrants

      Libertarians certainly take self-defense and defense of property seriously.  There is in-house debate about how best to achieve that self-defense, but all brands of libertarianism acknowledge the problem.

      Most grant that police powers are a legit role for the government.  I agree with that.  I even agree that the Federal government has an important role to play here.  That goes against the localism common to most libertarianism, but I see it as an important check on local tyrants of the "Southern Sherif" type.

      More hard-core libers (I'm getting tired of typing the whole word) argue that self-defense could be provided as a pure market good through contracting with competing self-defense agencies.  Looking at La Costa Nostr, the Yakuza and Afghanistan, I think that view is philisophically pure but hopelessly naive.

      Results count for more than intentions do.

      by VA Classical Liberal on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 06:26:55 PM PST

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    •  P.S. On re-reading the diary I realized (0+ / 0-)

      I had mis-stated this point.  I've corrected it.

      Thanks.

      Results count for more than intentions do.

      by VA Classical Liberal on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 07:32:32 PM PST

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