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  •  Safety of goods (2+ / 0-)
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    would seem to fall under the "security" umbrella, much like police, and thus be a proper role of government.

    "Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid

    by Darkmoth on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 06:15:21 PM PST

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    •  Who is best able to provide that security? (1+ / 0-)
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      The public or private sector?

      Let me give another example that might make my position clearer.  Look at the health advice the government gives.  The first nutrition guidelines contained common-sense recommendations like "don't eat too much sugar".  Years of lobbying has reduced that to meaningless guck like "all foods are good as long as you eat a balanced diet, so don't stop eating white sugar".

      It took decades for the government to get through the lobbyist and law suits to finally put warning lables on cigarettes.  All that time the American Lung Association was telling us loud and clear "Smoking will kill you."

      The political environment inherient in government often makes them not only unable to fulfil these functions.  It can make them actual roadblocks.

      Results count for more than intentions do.

      by VA Classical Liberal on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 06:32:03 PM PST

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      •  Citizen participation (3+ / 0-)

        One requirement for government, a democratic government, is for the people, the ultimate source of government's power, to be active participants.

        This is the flaw - not a fatal flaw, necessarily, but a major flaw - in our form of government. We have made things too easy for the populace. And in addition we have so watered down public education in the last 20-30 years (possibly deliberately, but I digress) that people are no longer aware of their responsibilities.

        Also, I never intended to suggest that government is the only organism that acts for our safety. Private and semi-private organizations also have a role to play - a role which Rand would not have accepted, since they interfere with her heroes' right to do as they wish. (She has some cardboard cutout social workers to make that point.)

        The political environment is not inherently a roadblock. It is not inherently anything, except what we the people choose to make it, or by lack of action, allow it to become.

        A very Jeffersonian concept, by the way.

        Republicans can't accept that they've lost. Democrats can't accept that they've won.

        by DanK Is Back on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 06:40:45 PM PST

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      •  Fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't really want to sidetrack your excellent diary on Atlas Shrugged and Libertarianism. If you want to do another arguing the merits of Libertarianism, I'd be glad to see that too.

        "Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid

        by Darkmoth on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 06:47:38 PM PST

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        •  Libertarianism is a recurring theme of mine. (1+ / 0-)
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          I've written extensively about it hereand here.

          Like this one, my previous libertarian diaries have been pretty well received.  People will take libertarian ideas seriously if they are well presented and you don't attack every other political philosophy as obviously stupid.

          That is one reason I really dislike Rand and why I wrote this diary.  She makes my political life a lot harder than it should be.

          Results count for more than intentions do.

          by VA Classical Liberal on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 08:00:28 PM PST

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