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  •  How would I know? (0+ / 0-)

    How much time would I have to take out of my life to find out?  And what if they all just say, "Aaah, screw it", and none of them do anything?  After all, spending that money on namby-pamby crap like safety could make them lose their competitive edge...  After all, if things would work out the way you imagine, they already would've done so and there never would've been a need for an FDA in the first place.  

    Besides, do you really want to wait and see who acquires and doesn't acquire "a rep for harming their customers"?  Why risk other people's health like that when there's some other way??

    The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

    by Panurge on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 09:27:40 PM PST

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    •  Consumer Reports, local news, better competitors? (0+ / 0-)

      You would know because a lot of other groups would have a great incentive to tell you.  How many Ford Pintos have you seen in dealerships lately?

      Besides, do you really want to wait and see who acquires and doesn't acquire "a rep for harming their customers"?  Why risk other people's health like that when there's some other way??

      Hundreds of people die every year from food which is FDA approved, yet still tainted.  Why would you risk other people's health waiting to find out which inspection regime has failed or which rule has been lobbied out of existance?

      Government isn't perfect, even when it is acting in our best interest.  It's staffed by the same people as industry, mistake prone, falible humans.  They can't provide you with the guarentees you are asking of them.

      Results count for more than intentions do.

      by VA Classical Liberal on Sun Dec 06, 2009 at 09:41:01 PM PST

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      •  Wait a minute... (0+ / 0-)

        So because government isn't perfect, it shouldn't be involved at all?  It might not be able to provide all I've asked for, but it can at least make sure all the bases are covered.  If the FDA isn't doing its job, the solution is to lean on them to make it do its job.  The duplication of effort you're talking about here is, well, massive.

        Ultimately, the point is, the sources you're talking about are best at uncovering who's doing poorly.  Sometimes we need something in place to help insure that things don't go bad in the first place.  I know it's not perfect, but it's certainly better than nothing.

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

        by Panurge on Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 08:19:45 PM PST

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        •  Not involved at all overstates my case. (0+ / 0-)

          In my view the governments job is to provide the infrastructure that lets society work. But not necessarily do all things that make it work.

          In this case, the government's police and court powers would be appropriate.  If tainted food injures someone, there will be police to arrest them, courts will try them and the government force them to pay restitutions and/or imprison them.

          If the FDA isn't doing its job, the solution is to lean on them to make it do its job.  The duplication of effort you're talking about here is, well, massive.

          The key question is can the FDA do its job?  Will they ever be funded at the level needed to make the food supply 100% safe?  Is that even a practical, achievable goal?  How will you keep them free from political pressure next time the Republicans are in charge?

          Without answers to those questions, I think we're better off looking for other mechanisms.

          the sources you're talking about are best at uncovering who's doing poorly.

          Isn't that really all the FDA is doing now?  Actaully, it's not all they are doing.  They are also providing a legal figleaf for companies when tainted food does make it to consumers.  "Hey, we followed FDA guidelines.  It's not our fault your kid died."

          Besides, exposing who is doing poorly does prevent bad things from happening in the future.  Knowing you'll likely get caught and punished is a huge incentive to not screw up.

          Results count for more than intentions do.

          by VA Classical Liberal on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 06:45:35 AM PST

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