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    It's more than possible to separate one's enjoyment of a TV show or a movie that depicts violence or torture from real life.  Watching "The Sopranos" does not make me a real life fan of mob violence.  Playing video games where you brutally slaughter bad guys does not make me a fan of torturing people in real life.

    Boycotting a show like "24" for your own personal convictions is one thing.  But telling people that anybody who watches the show is "complicit" in torture is off-base to me.

    •  Yeah I agree the 'complicity' angle is off, (1+ / 0-)
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      but will just say that The Sopranos is not being held up as a justification to allow racketeering in real life, nor is Grand Theft Auto being held up as a justification for committing....grand theft auto.

      24 on the other hand, IS being held up as a justification that torture works, especially in the delusional and non-existent 'ticking-time bomb' scenario.

      I don't doubt for a minute that the popularity of that show has done more to normalize acts of torture in this country than anything else.

      Video games are pure fantasy, in the Sopranos, you like the gangsters, but know that they are the bad guys.

      In 24, the hero tortures the bad guys, and it works!!! Hoooooray!!!

    •  What exactly is the "enjoyment" . . . (0+ / 0-)

      . . . in watching actors pretend to inflict torture on other actors?  Would you get the same "enjoyment" if they weren't actors and weren't pretending?  Are you sure you wouldn't?  But maybe, by the time Fox is through with you, wou will.  Consumption of the Fox product becomes complicity with the Fox agenda before you know it.

      "Americans are a wonderful people: They will always do the right thing--after exhausting every other possible alternative."--Winston Churchill

      by keikekaze on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 04:30:55 PM PST

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      •  since you don't seem to give me any credit here (0+ / 0-)

        Let me tell you about several shows, movies, and video games that I enjoy:

        1. The Simpsons (on that awful Rupert Murdoch-owned station)
        1. Family Guy (which used to be on that awful Rupert Murdoch-owned station)
        1. Pulp Fiction (which has several scenes depicting torture, rape, and drug abuse)
        1. Inglourious Basterds (which shows soldiers torturing captured war prisoners)
        1. Mortal Kombat (where the purpose is to brutalize and kill your opponent)
        1. Resident Evil 4 (where you destroy your enemies in incredibly violent, grotesque ways)
        1. FOX NFL Sunday (so I can watch the Bears play that violent sport known as football during the fall....but oops, that's on Rupert Murdoch's channel too)

        Funny how I'm able to enjoy all of those things, yet I'm the same person who wrote this diary and others in which I expressed my strong opposition to torture.  I can do that because I can separate reality from a TV show, and I'm smart enough to know that watching and enjoying the occasional episode of "24" doesn't mean that you endorse or agree with everything that happens on screen.

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