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  •  I object. You're making it sound like the fault (2+ / 0-)
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    lies in the university training.

    The forest service may indeed have many smart people in it who were trained in universities; but it's still the politicians (many of whom are certainly not - and in cases like Sarah Palin can maybe prove your point) who make the call.

    Land management is not often based on what the scientists in the universities tell us we should do, but what industry and politicians decide we will do for profit and popularity.

    I'm just saying to take it easy on using "university trained" as a pejorative, that's all.

    I was in Pulp And Paper science and Wood Science at NC State - trust me, if it weren't for the university training we'd still be in the dust bowl and clear cutting would still be the predominant method of "forest management". The scientists are still at the mercy of the politicians and the "jobs" they are fighting for.

    This is true for water as well as forests.

    I agree the American Indians had great management; but it wasn't because they never went to a university - it's because they didn't have politicians who get paid by industry.

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 12:57:06 PM PST

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    •  A lot of the fault DID lie in the university (4+ / 0-)

      training. The forest management training of the period I'm talking about, the early 20th century, was dominated by the ideas of men like Pinchot. It was their resourcism that led to the Dust Bowl, rather than prevented it. Sure, politicians have a lot to answer for but the science of that period (the science Leopold realized was wrong) was based in this hubristic notion that they could control the land. I'm a trained, PhD, academic type too, but sometimes the universities can learn from local culture.  

      stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

      by Mother Mags on Tue Dec 08, 2009 at 01:41:45 PM PST

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