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  •  It's an outlier (7+ / 0-)

    This question seemingly gets asked in another poll every other month. There are multiple organizations asking it regularly. It's been polled hundreds of times.

    If the margin of error on a poll is 95%, if you ask the question 20 times you'll get one that is wrong by more than the margin of error.

    But what they are doing here is publicizing the one outlier, that is clearly in error, to mislead people into think more Americans are pro-life. It's not Gallup's fault, but you can see which media made this a big story, and ignored polls a month earlier or later which said otherwise.

    Pro Pro
    life Choice
    47% 44% - Fox 11/18/09
    47% 46% - USA Today/Gallop 7/19/09
    45% 49% - CNN/Opinion Research 4/26/09

    In general it's a pretty even split.  Politically, I think we have been losing some battles, and losing some ground. But in terms of attitudes of the population, they haven't really changed that I can see.

    One thing the right has done on this issue effectively is to define the debate in the public mind as largely over late term abortion. If you make that the debate, and that's what people associate with "abortion", then abortion becomes a difficult moral choice, or something that we should maybe keep the government out of, but not approve of, or allow funding of it, etc.

    But that simply doesn't describe most abortions. I'd like to see a fight over first trimester abortion. Say, to allow government funding, only in the first 10 weeks, when most abortions occur. I think it might be educational.

    I just don't see enough Democrats arguing that abortion, in most cases, simply isn't a bad thing at all. If we are unwilling to argue that, we may lose ground. In several of those polls, over 40% favor making it more difficult for women to get abortions. we need to fight for access, to make it easier. But it's hard to argue for the importance of access to something if people believe deep down that it is a bad thing.

    •  We let them define the late term abortion debate. (7+ / 0-)

      I did reading about George Tiller. He was a target because his clinic was one of three in the U.S that did late term abortions. People had to travel 100s of miles. These were usually women who would die or suffer serious health problems if they didnt have an abortion. We haven't shown that and just allowed the right wing to define it. That's my view

      "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

      by joedemocrat on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 09:48:01 AM PST

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    •  The reason you don't see Democrats arguing (11+ / 0-)

      that is that conservatives (and conservative Christians especially) have been allowed to define this debate as "killing babies."  The sudden elevation of fetus to citizen has been made to seem compassionate, logical, and human, while the subjugation of the woman to the contents of her womb is hardly even considered.

      We need Democrats in office who don't think abortion is murder and aren't afraid to say so publicly and with their votes.

      •  relating Wall Sreet, Zinn & reproductive rights (0+ / 0-)

        I've read some Zinn -- I should be inspired at all the victories people can achieve, but it seems it's always temporary. The bankers didn't like all the regulations that happened after the Depression, so they worked for decades to get them undone (& they never gave up). I think reproductive rights are getting the same treatment. We had some successes, but once we proved how much a difference it made the usual suspects are trying to roll back all the gains with the same kind of steady relentless attack. The usual suspects have a lot of money and resources to find out what's the perfect approach to make their extremism seem reasonable and vice versa.

        It's only half a victory when Change & Civil Rights don't include all persons

        by julifolo on Fri Dec 11, 2009 at 04:36:15 AM PST

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    •  The question is oversimplified anyway. (4+ / 0-)

      There is a huge range of opinions on abortion depending on the circumstances so I don't think a simple up or down pro-choice/pro-life or anti-choice question is really telling you all that much.

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