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  •  Shalom v' Chag Sameach (2+ / 0-)
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    thebluecrayon, hikerbiker

    This is when we have to reach for peace but if people from the other side here don't want to engage (and it so far is only two of them) then no problem we can still work towards a fair solution. Our first job is to work towards Peace on our side. To help groups like Shalom Achshav stop the settlements that are destroying the State. To help stop the turn rightward in Israel. To reach out to try to find people on the other side that are sick of fighting. That is what we need to do.

    I/P should not be outlawed here - it is reasonable on the Progressive side for us to debate this course. Progressives are being misled by the silly cartoonish representations of Israel and the Zionist movement. We need to combat that. First though we need to put our own "house in order". Look, Ben-Gurion, Eban, Rabin had a great dream. We owe it to them to continue progressive Zionism in the face of the bigots from our right and from our left. They would not have quit and we should not.

    Some times you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by volleyboy1 on Fri Dec 11, 2009 at 11:48:02 PM PST

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    •  I used to agree vb (3+ / 0-)

      but the hate and ignorance in general, not those comments above have steared me otherwise.  Unless I-P can be a place where hateful notions are somehow put in check, I don't support those conversations anymore.  One cannot obtain peace by furthering hate.

      Any numbers of Jews have dropped out of I-P under similar circumstances and it never seems to really make a difference. Should I stay in these conversations, I will certainly take a different approach.  Right now, to me, the hate reflects really badly on this site.  I don't care to persuade others of that view, I'm just being blunt.  The conversations have passed the point of intolerance.  

      Peacework outside of DKos is a different story altogether.  Of course peaceful groups and a dream of peace should be supported.  My optimism is though really dented and absent today and will be for some time.  
       

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