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  •  i think there's something deeper, a more pressing (2+ / 0-)
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    issue at the core of our problems. that would be our values. our core values.

    it doesn't matter if we are talking about poisoning the planet or torturing prisoners. it really doesn't.

    we can not legislate values. we have to act them out. every day. much as you do, Adam.

    the most urgent thing, if we are to be taken seriously, is to hold the bad guys accountable. put muscle back into our desire to enforce our values via the law.

    it is us against them. what i hope is that we understand who the "us"  and the "them" are . . .

    for me? it's most of the 7 billion of us against the relatively few, all of whom can be found wearing expensive suits, eating the best food, and living in the best locations... lots of glittery packaging and very little new age humanity found after the unwrapping, i'm afraid.

    Obamabots are another matter completely, though. They're the political version of teenage girls passing out at a Backstreet Boys concert... JayinPortland

    by pfiore8 on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 04:48:03 AM PST

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    •  don´t agree (4+ / 0-)
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      in fact its most of the 7 billion against the planet.

      let´s not confuse worry about the viability of the planet as such with desires about the distribution of that wealth that there is between those who are there. The latter s an original progressive thing and separates, say, social democrats from liberals. The former transcends any problem of distribution or the way how we order our societies. It is in the interest of plutocrats as well to try to preserve an ecologically viable earth for at least a few generations. We needlessly throw away potential allies (which coporatists are) if we try to mix all kinds of wealth distribution problems into the climate challenge.

      Ici s´arrète la loi.

      by marsanges on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 05:51:43 AM PST

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      •  one nit (3+ / 0-)
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        Goldman Sachs could care less about anything beyond this year's bonus.  Large corporations like ExxonMobil are only interested in preserving the status quo - their current business model.  Wealth will move, but only after it is clear that they have milked their current schemes dry.  There's a big problem with that - we'll be left holding the bag.

        Die energie der Welt ist constant; die Entropie der welt strebt einem Maximum zu. - Rudolf Clausius, 1865

        by xgy2 on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 06:00:22 AM PST

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        •  We need to address... (4+ / 0-)
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          ...the problem of corporate personhood.  Corporations are legally required to focus on the short term profit equation by the laws governing the granting of corporate charters, IIRC.  Couple that with the acquisition of civil rights, and you have the problem: our government has enabled a race of omnivorous sociopathic giants with profound ADHD to ravage all the rest of us.

          Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

          by WarrenS on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 07:12:31 AM PST

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    •  Afraid I don't agree (1+ / 0-)
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      When we say "20-80-70" meaning 20% of the world's population hold 80% of the wealth and consume 70% of the energy, it refers to percapita demographics which average and, although it's reasonably certian the most wealthy of wealthy nations account for a higher than average consumption/emission, this does not necessarly scale to net worth or significantly bias the whole.

      While the accumulation of wealth does represent the accumulation of carbon inventory used to produce it, it is the division of profits that makes the rich different than the rest of us.

      Hence, in keeping with the theme of the diary, if the US were to invest more in public mass transit which is fundamentally more effcient (enery/cost) in most instances and reduce dependance of the population at large, it would disrupt, in a productive way, the present consumption-driven ecoomic model of transportation that traps low and middle income people in a system where they have no choice but sped a significant amount of ther income polluting the environment for the profit of oil and auto companines that are the benificiaries of regressive taxation used to perpetuate their business model.

      To paraphrase Marx "Is personal transportation the opiate of the masses?"

      Diarist makes the simple point: reduce consumption.

      Diarist makes the point: reduce consumption.

      Ask me about my daughter's future - Ko

      by koNko on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 04:39:21 AM PST

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