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  •  That you believe that we CAN (0+ / 0-)

    "keep the grease in the ground" shows a fundamental lack of understanding of human nature.

    Reality is, at some point EVERY drop of oil and EVERY piece of coal is going to be pulled out and used by someone.  Any solution that doesn't start from that basic framework is ultimately doomed to failure.

    Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

    by Whimsical on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 01:02:49 PM PST

    •  Let's see... (0+ / 0-)

      human beings have been around for 100,000 years, and only in the last 350 of them have they been extracting fossil fuels.  So we might conclude that for 99,650 years the whole of the human race has been (by your standards) in defiance of "human nature."  How do you explain this?

      "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Cassiodorus on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 01:34:14 PM PST

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      •  Nice Strawman (0+ / 0-)

        Its not that we didn't take it all out before we knew how to and before we knew it was useful, its that once we knew how to get it AND knew that it was useful we just ain't gonna leave it in the ground.

        Its like a door was closed until 350 years ago, and once that door was opened to think that human beings would ever close it again just shows a lack of understanding of human nature.

        Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

        by Whimsical on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 01:59:25 PM PST

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        •  Human nature is marked by versatility (1+ / 0-)
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          Only those who deny their own are in the business of denying it to others.

          "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

          by Cassiodorus on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 03:53:17 PM PST

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          •  Name me one technological advance (0+ / 0-)

            we've put back in the box.  One time we've closed that door after we've opened it.

            You can't, and your dodge above is your tacit admission of that fact.

            No, all the grease is coming out of the ground and there isn't a damn thing we can do about it except adjust our solution planning accordingly.

            Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

            by Whimsical on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 06:27:26 PM PST

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            •  Atomic bombs -- (1+ / 0-)
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              Are we still using them like we used them on Japan?

              "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

              by Cassiodorus on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 06:49:58 PM PST

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              •  Didn't stop making them, did we? (0+ / 0-)

                Nice try, though.

                Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

                by Whimsical on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 08:15:24 PM PST

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                •  Your logic is spurious anyway. (0+ / 0-)

                  The future is going to be unlike the past.

                  "The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

                  by Cassiodorus on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 08:54:47 PM PST

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                  •  MY logic is spurious? What a laugh. (0+ / 0-)

                    And while the future IS going to be unlike the past, those who make predictions of the future without basing those predictions in an understanding of human nature are in for some big surprises that they won't like - at all.

                    You'll see.

                    Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to lie without consequence; unless, apparently if you're a right wing talk-radio host.

                    by Whimsical on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 05:54:16 AM PST

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