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  •  I have yet to hear anyone explain (1+ / 0-)
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    how, exactly, reconciliation will work.  I keep hearing that it will not.  

    Change takes time. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

    by LarsThorwald on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 08:17:05 AM PST

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    •  It will if the caucus wants it. And it's simple. (5+ / 0-)

      Reid announces that the bill will go through reconciliation.

      Holy Joe, Ben Nelson, or some Republican raises a Byrd rule objection.

      The Parliamentarian advises either that the reconciliation is appropriate or that's its inappropriate.  

      Regardless of the advice of the Parliamentarian, the President of the Senate (VP Biden if he's there; someone else if he isn't) overrules the objection.

      The bill passes.

      The only tricky thing is that if the Parliamentarian advises to rule in favor of the objection, this is kind of a nuclear option when it comes to the filibuster.

      But IMO that's a feature, not a bug. And it's not at all clear that it will even come to that, as a carefully crafted reconciliation bill can pass Byrd-rule muster.

      But the Democrats clearly have no interest in doing this. So noting these things is only important politically: Lieberman isn't killing HCR. Reid and the Democratic Caucus are.

      Stop Obama's Wars Now! Bring the Troops Home!

      by GreenSooner on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 08:22:54 AM PST

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      •  Of course this also assumes there are 50 votes... (1+ / 0-)
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        ....for real HCR in the Senate.

        And I'm actually not prepared to assume that there are.

        Stop Obama's Wars Now! Bring the Troops Home!

        by GreenSooner on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 09:47:17 AM PST

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      •  Reid and the caucus are (0+ / 0-)

        allowing HoJo to kill it.

        Here's what I see

        1.  HoJo looks good to his base (insurance companies)
        1.  He isn't running for re-election so he doesn't care about voters
        1.  He is a hero to the health insurance industry so he's set with a job after 2012.
        1.  Reid gets to look like he really tried to get it through so the voters (may) forgive him
        1.  The rest of the caucus say "We did our best, but those rotten folks killed it", so they don't have to face angry voters.

        Anyone else see it this way?

        Harry Reid: An idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing (HT Shakespeare)

        by DrWolfy on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 11:18:38 AM PST

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      •  That's political suicide (0+ / 0-)

        Have you heard the phrase "ramming it through"?

        Well, if this goes to reconciliation you will hear it quite a bit in the 2010 elections.

        They cannot do reconciliation.  In fact, I think it would be hard to find 50 votes anyway in this political climate.

        Why?  Because it is very easy for those on the fence to scapegoat Joe Lieberman.. but when push comes to shove and they have to actually vote for this monstrosity, I'm not sure it can happen.

        I guess we'll see..

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 11:38:42 AM PST

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    •  Here's David Waldman's take (2+ / 0-)
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      Resurrecting reconciliation
      by David Waldman
      Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 12:54:20 PM PST

    •  If reconciliation doesn't work (1+ / 0-)
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      then it's game over.

      Unless you can think of a way forward to 60 votes.  So again, even if reconciliation doesn't work, what do you have left to lose?

      •  no one wants to make that vote if it loses.. (0+ / 0-)

        It actually put a Senator down for standing for something or against something...

        Why would they want to risk doing that for a proposal that has a chance of losing?

        /snark

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Mon Dec 14, 2009 at 11:40:24 AM PST

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