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  •  Hamas has just made it clear (2+ / 0-)
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    they aren't interested. There is a current diary about this:

    What do we do about these thugs?

    All my IP addresses have been banned from

    by charliehall on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 11:03:39 PM PST

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    •  Have Abbas negotiate an end to the blockade (2+ / 0-)
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      as part of the negotiations, and give him all the credit.

      Then continue to ignore them unless they go batshit with the rocket launching again.  At that point, it's a declaration of war from a 100% sovereign independent state, and it will come to a brutal, tragic but at least fast conclusion.

      •  Where do you get that Gaza would be (1+ / 0-)
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        a 100% sovereign independent state?

        •  De facto (1+ / 0-)
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          If they control their own borders,  the blockade's ended and Israel's negotiated a final settlement regarding the West Bank, I don't see how they can claim to still be under occupation..  what would be under occupation?

          •  Hamas considers ANY Israel presence any where in (0+ / 0-)

            Mandate Palestine is occupation of it all. except they always term it/them as Zionists – so they can say we are not prejudice against Jews, just those that are Zionist.

            They will allow Jews to live in Hamasustan if they came before 1919.  Of course that doesn't include the 800k + Jews who were stripped of their belongings and expelled from all the Arab countries where most had lived for centuries. (Incidentally, the only neighboring country who did not expel its Jews was Iran. It is a pity that they can't be friendlier.)

            I just hope the most recent bravura performance by Hamas is a prelude to a major change to a saner policy. It sometimes goes that way.

            We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change. Barack Obama 7-30-08

            by samddobermann on Thu Dec 17, 2009 at 12:31:05 AM PST

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    •  OK (1+ / 0-)
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      The obvious answer is to concede to some of their moderate demands with relation to the blockade. Hamas's popularity is Israel's problem, addressing that rather than Hamas itself would diminish their effectiveness and would do something to reverse the radicalizing effect of an increasingly desperate Gazan population.

      •  Why not open the border with Egypt? (0+ / 0-)

        What other country is made to open its border to a sworn enemy?  

        You can't just let civilians through and exclude potential troublemakers. Hamas prides itself as being "of the people."

        I feel for the Gazans but they and only they have the power to make changes.

        We are in a time where it is risky NOT to change. Barack Obama 7-30-08

        by samddobermann on Thu Dec 17, 2009 at 01:12:28 AM PST

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    •  Which is by the way (0+ / 0-)

      Stanley McChristal's approach to Afganistan, or should the U.S. be starving Afghans of basic resources to coerce them into supporting its presence?

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