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  •  the bill can't get better if it's abandoned (6+ / 0-)

    My latest saying is, "It's the architecture."  This isn't the best policy architecture but it is not the worst as it can be built upon and improved -- as was Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

    •  We're told that this is the only ... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...chance, that we won't have another chance for years or decades. So, what makes you think we'll have a chance to build and improve before years or decades have passed?

      Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:05:48 PM PST

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      •  because (3+ / 0-)
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        Because success breeds success. You can do little things on top of big things. Fail at a big thing and it gets increasingly difficult.

        •  And you call yourself "reality-based"...! (2+ / 0-)
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          Pardon me if I laugh.  Pass this, and there will be no energy to revisit it for years if not decades.

          •  learn from history (1+ / 0-)
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            Look to history. Failures don't get taken up for a long, long time. Successes are built upon.

            •  But Romneycare is already a failure (0+ / 0-)

              here in Massachusetts.  Costs are totally out of control and the state is choking on unplanned demand for subsidies to pay for it.  So why lie about its alleged success and expand it in an even worse form?  At least here in Massachusetts, we have a handful of overpriced insurers to choose from, and the insurance commissioner is strong.  Under the senate plan, coverage is much worse, guarantees that policies will be honored are much worse, and the feds will be much harsher on those who don't pay up.

        •  So that's why .... (0+ / 0-)

          DADT has been 'reformed'?  When did that happen?

          Bad legislation doesn't 'evolve' once it's passed.  As radioactive as HCR appears to be (by your own arguments, it's 'now or never') it will not be 'retooled' for decades.

          You're happy with the current morass of a bill that has gutted real reform and given the largess to the insurance industry?

          Pass HCR, then make it better? DADT is still there, 17 years later. How long will bad legislation survive before it can be 'made all better'?

          by emsprater on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:37:42 PM PST

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        •  Good article with several sensible points (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm a self-employed middle-aged woman who practically slobbered in joy at the prospect of joining Medicare in a couple of years instead of having to wait another 13 years.  Another dream shattered.

          Here's the problem with the purists who think that if we can't have the bill we want we should just drop it and wait another decade or two until the stars align themselves and we get another chance.  People who NEED reform NOW are just going to get older, poorer, and deader while the Howard Deans and Bernie Sanders' of the world take their principled stands.  I AGREE with both of them that we need something substantially better than what we have, but we're NOT going to get it - not this time.  

          Many of my family members and I have struggled for years over the insurance issue.  As a self-insured person who carries A LOT of pre-existing conditions I've BEEN dumped out of other insurance plans and I've had to settle for far more expensive plans pegged to my professional memberships because if I tried for an individual plan they'd dump me the first time I sneezed.  I've had relatives choose to go without insurance so they can house and feed their children.  I've got a daughter who CAN'T be on her father's plan because she's too old, who is now unemployed and not on any plan.  She is suffering from headaches and other problems but terrified to seek help because doing so might lay the groundwork for denying her as having a pre-existing condition and she can't afford the out-of-pocket expense.  

          We need something, anything, NOW.  PASS the bill.  Let it take effect, and let people get used to having it just as they're used to having auto and home insurance.  Let them start realizing in a year or two where the flaws are and let them start the process toward plugging those holes.  Once people have an entitlement they always end up wanting to expand and improve upon it, not the other way around.  Might the insurance companies continue charging at their present rates?  Sure, but people are going to be offended by it and they're going to agitate for change.  Let it come.  It'll be incremental and imperfect, but anything's better than what we have now.

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