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  •  but on what basis would we better off? (1+ / 0-)
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    Seneca Doane

    You know insurance has high deductibles, that people can't pay as it is. In other words, the bankruptcies will continue only slightly if at all mitigated.

    You know the legislation leaves them with all their rescission tricks.

    I assume you know that the Insurance Companies were high-fiving each other even before the further winnowing of the past week...

    I believe if you address the downside (setting up the eventual disabling of SocSec & MedCr) as detailed above you'd count it pretty likely...

    Is it just a sense of loyalty to the party? A "the perfect being the enemy of the good" notion of pragmatism? (To which: The Inadequate is the enemy of the Necessary.)

    I really want to know because though this isn't the first time I've disagreed with you, it is the first time I've ever heard something from you that I find incomprehensible.

    (I must crash soon, but I will read what you say in the morn. Thanks.)

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Thu Dec 17, 2009 at 11:43:00 PM PST

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    •  No, actually, I *don't* know that the bill (1+ / 0-)
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      is actually as bad as suggested.  Again, if it is that bad, I'd expect the Republicans to want it to pass so as to hang it around our necks.

      But even if it is that bad, the question remains: are we more likely to be able to build our way to a better system with, or without, the ability to stand on this platform.

      I think that, if reconciliation fails, we pass the bill and follow the recipe I present above.  I expect that the Republicans will accept reform rather than accept ownership of the most rightfully unpopular parts of the bill.  I think we'll change them.

      That's as comprehensible as I'm likely to get!

      •  Thanks. Okay, last thing. Re your argument why (0+ / 0-)

        no support from Snowe/Collins...

        here's the other side of the "who's this good for" notion:

        If you need a guide to the health reform debate in Washington, take a look at health insurance company stocks. When the debate is going the right way – towards quality, affordable health care for everyone, towards getting people out from under the insurance industry’s crushing monopoly – insurance company stocks take a dive. When the debate is moving against what America wants – towards more private industry, less insurance regulations, and the like – health care stocks soar.

        Right now, they’re soaring.

        Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

        by Jim P on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 11:38:07 AM PST

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