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  •  If they are right (0+ / 0-)

    then that becomes a reason to support the bill.

    You, like most people, aren't engaging with my "recipe."  Passing a bad bill is not such a big problem if, after passing it, one attempts to amend it to be less bad.

    •  re: Passing a bad bill (0+ / 0-)

      If they are right then that becomes a reason to support the bill.

      You, like most people, aren't engaging with my "recipe."  Passing a bad bill is not such a big problem if, after passing it, one attempts to amend it to be less bad.

      This is so utterly WRONG.  We do NOT pass bad legislation that makes things worse (and this legislation will make American health care worse, not better) just to avoid negative political consequences.  Especially since we don't know we'll be able to go back and fix it later.  And especially since it's not at all clear that passing a bad bill just to get a bill passed is going to produce positive political results.

      And on the subject of fixing it later, why do you assume that the forces arrayed against improving this bad bill now are going to be vanquished so easily later on?  Especially since next year is going to be an election year, and after next year the Democrat majority is almost certain to be diminished?

      -7.12, -7.54 / "Health care reform will never take place until Rahm Emanuel is strangled with the entrails of Frank Luntz." - Diderot

      by Big Tex on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 01:27:09 AM PST

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      •  Our goal is to get to where we want to go (0+ / 0-)

        Sometimes that can involve going through a bad part of town.

        Anyway, I don't see this as a bad bill so much as a deficient one.  I wouldn't want to live on simply a poured concrete foundation, but I know that you probably have to our a concrete foundation to get the house you want.

        And, again -- we don't engage in political maneuvering for the sake of politics.  We engage in it for the sake of getting our opposition to agree to better policy.

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