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  •  Is it possible that this scenario plays out: (1+ / 0-)
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    They get the vote for cloture, but the managers amendment fails.  Then it reverts to the ORIGINAL bill in the Senate that INCLUDED THE PUBLIC OPTION.  Cloture has already been voted on, so all it takes is 51 votes.  Someone said last night that Reid actually pulled a move like this before.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 08:54:48 AM PST

    •  Hard to believe that Harry would have the balls (1+ / 0-)
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      OR the cunning to pull something like that off.

    •  Actually, there are three cloture votes (2+ / 0-)
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      they still need 60 votes.

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      by slinkerwink on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 08:56:31 AM PST

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      •  But didn't Reid do this (0+ / 0-)

        to some bill in 2007 or 2008?  Someone posted this last night with regards to the exact schedule of votes.  And I don't think it was electablog's diary either.

        "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

        by zenbassoon on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 09:09:48 AM PST

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        •  I don't recall that happening. (0+ / 0-)

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          by slinkerwink on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 09:10:25 AM PST

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          •  Here's the diary in question (0+ / 0-)

            "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

            by zenbassoon on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 09:11:33 AM PST

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            •  thanks for the link and am checking it out (1+ / 0-)
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              by slinkerwink on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 09:11:53 AM PST

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            •  Ah, that's true about there being a final vote (1+ / 0-)
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              was too pre-occupied to remember that. It does require 50 plus 1. That scenario could play out.

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              by slinkerwink on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 09:13:00 AM PST

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              •  Here are some of the comments from that thread (1+ / 0-)
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                if you have the parliamentary procedures down correctly or not, but its the best scenario I've seen described in terms of being something that would be wiley and not unlike Reid or Obama (who got his first seat by outmanuevering an opponent on the rules).  I wish I could remember, but Reid did something like this a little over a year ago, Senate bill wasn't so great, but he manuevered a way to substitute the House bill and bring final vote needing only majority on that.  But can't remember which bill.  Was it one of the veteran's benefit bills?  That was one of the few days people here were truly pleased with Reid.

                sometimes its ok to compliment a writer for an inventive if still ficticious or improbable construct.  And Reid did pull off one really good bait and switch, I just wish I could remember which bill to look it up

                The historic example that comes quickly to mind dates back to 1941, when the House by a single vote passed an amended version of a Senate bill that extended the military draft (which otherwise was about to expire just a few months before the Pearl Harbor attack). Opponents of the measure assumed that they could muster a few additional votes against the bill when it came out of conference with the Senate.  But the Senate simply approved the House-passed bill without any changes.  FDR signed the draft extension, saving our military from a blow more deadly than any blow from Japan or Germany.

                "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

                by zenbassoon on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 09:15:20 AM PST

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    •  There are a great many possibilities (0+ / 0-)

      in the future about how this might end up being turned into something really good that provides universal health care for Americans. None of them is remotely probable, given the history of what has happened to everything we lost.

      I would say that the "secret plan" is about on par with "the same pols will fix it next year".

      If wanting the country to succeed is wrong, I don't want to be right.

      by Angela Quattrano on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 10:11:16 AM PST

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