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  •  If the Palestinians (4+ / 0-)

    decide to declare an independent state, what, exactly will the Israelis have to negotiate about?   Not like they have to give permission or anything

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 02:59:03 PM PST

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    •  Palestinians can declare whatever they want (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm not sure what good it'll do them.  What's their plan, build an army and invade Israel to get the right of return?  Yeah, I'm sure they'll be really successful at that one.

    •  Yeah but how are they going to (1+ / 0-)
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      get their state?

      I don't necessarily disagree with that by the way. I think they should take a lesson from the Yishuv. The problem is that it will either lead to negotiations that should happen now or possibly war.

      Yossi Sarid laid it out in Ha'aretz:

      The risk Abbas would be taking is much smaller. Of the 192 member states of the United Nations, over 150 would recognize a free Palestine, and it would soon become the 193rd. Although the American position is an unknown, it is hard to believe that Barack Obama would agree to drag America back into isolation now that it has begun to be part of the world again.

      And what would Netanyahu do? Invade and re-conquer the West Bank? Restore the military government in the Muqata in Ramallah?

      And what orders will Ehud Barak give his army? Serbia didn't dare invade Kosovo after it declared independence, and even Russia the great didn't allow itself to remain inside the sovereign territory of Georgia after their war.

      Immediately after the declaration, celebrations will begin in the capital, East Jerusalem, and people from all over the world will join in, including Israelis. The masses of the House of Ishmael will carouse joyously through the city's neighborhoods, and especially those neighborhoods from which they have been evicted by people with priestly pretensions. This will have to be joy without any manifestations of violence, not even one stone thrown.

      This week, I phoned Abbas, after not having spoken to him for at least four years. I told him everything that I am writing now. I also told him something else: What happened to the wall in Berlin 20 years ago, and to apartheid a few months later, would also happen to the occupation: It will collapse, even if attempts are made to reinforce it with nails.

      Some times you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

      by volleyboy1 on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 03:15:59 PM PST

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      •  So if Declaring is so low risk (0+ / 0-)

        and brain-dead easy, why did it take so long to consider it? I do remember that Arafat made a declaration once before, but he was a dick and nobody would believe him. But why did Abbas wait so long, did this just occur to them?

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        by 1918 on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 03:29:01 PM PST

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        •  No they have been talking about it. q (0+ / 0-)

          The thing with Arafat is and you're right no one took him seriously - he was a corrupt thief.

          Abbas is a hack and does not have a ton of support but.... He has the support of the U.S. and E.U.

          They have been mulling this idea for a while. One thing Sarid misses is that this is not a low risk move with Avigdor Leiberman. The Monstar from Moldova would do exactly what Sarid is saying Benny Net. won't do but Barak would most likely bolt - I think even that would be too much for him. If he did - the government would fall and then who knows what could happen.

          Some times you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

          by volleyboy1 on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 03:35:52 PM PST

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        •  yes, the 1988 Declaration (3+ / 0-)

          A good read.

          quite a few nations recognized Palestinian independence

          The political reality that the US and our allies would have vetoed any such move then.  Now our Allies seem to have changed views.  Not sure where our people stand.  Hence the poll

          Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

          by Eiron on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 03:38:44 PM PST

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    •  How many times can (1+ / 0-)
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      they declare a state?  They did it couple of times before.

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