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View Diary: "The Machine Counts It Right": Who Needs A Recount? (75 comments)

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  •  I don't think so.... (none)
    Ordinarily, that's what you do in a hand recount following a machine count...separate the votes into two piles for candidates (and add those up)  and a third pile for those going to the canvassing board to be examined for viability...that's what we did in Washington State. specifically in King County and others.

    Tell me how you spend your time and how you spend your money -- I'll tell you what your values are.

    by oldpro on Thu Dec 23, 2004 at 10:52:53 AM PST

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    •  That separation.... (none)
      ...occurs ahead of time, with no observers present? Cause that's what happened in Ohio.
      •  no, absolutely not (none)
        Everything about the electoral process is done in public.

        Are you saying that OH law actively bars the public from observing the process?

        You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

        by N in Seattle on Thu Dec 23, 2004 at 11:43:53 AM PST

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        •  Read His Post (none)

          He's saying that Ohio law requires the counting be done in public, but that this time, it was done before the observers were allowed into the building. Before the observers were there to verify the integrity of the process, undervotes and overvotes were removed and the ballots were sorted into piles based on candidate, which then matched the machine total by within the 3% required by Ohio election law.

          Not only that, but in many places, the BoEs selected precincts that were known to have few problems instead of selecting precincts randomly until they exceeded the 3% mark required by Ohio election law.

          In short, the Ohio elections officials, who are appointed by Blackwell based on recommendations from state parties, haven't been following election law.

          Its like the media listened to Weird Al's "Dare to be Stupid" and said "Yes! This is how the world should be!"

          by RHunter on Thu Dec 23, 2004 at 03:31:47 PM PST

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          •  Yes, that's right. (none)
            The observers reported that to their complete surprise, when they started the hand count, the ballots had ALREADY been sorted. That sorting (as well as the removal of ballots that didn't register on the machines) had occurred without any observers present.

            There are even reports that precincts were pre-selected, without any observers present, and that the ballots for those precincts had already been put through a machine recount to make sure they matched the official numbers.

            In short, everything possible was done BEFORE the hand count to maximize the likelihood of a match. It wasn't about getting an accurate count, but about getting a match so that a full hand count would not be needed.

            •  Corruption Alarms (none)

              And that should have corruption alarms going off in the head of even the most skeptical kossak. The fact that these BoEs, apparently on orders from Blackwell himself, are working to prevent a hand recount at all costs makes it pretty clear that something is rotten in the state of Ohio. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll have the ghosts of any dead kings showing up to tell us whose ear Blackwell poured the poison in...

              Its like the media listened to Weird Al's "Dare to be Stupid" and said "Yes! This is how the world should be!"

              by RHunter on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 10:36:16 AM PST

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