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  •  FYI (5+ / 0-)

    FYI, the progressive agenda is DEAD.  

    This not reform, nor is it healthcare.  It is a giveaway to the for-profit insurance industry and now, a further nail in the coffin to women's rights.  How anyone in their right mind can consider this disgrace as furthering the progressive agenda is truly beyond me.  It borders on delusional.  

    Good luck selling this piece of crap as progress.  

    •  short-term thinking (5+ / 0-)

      Is this bill perfect? No. Is this bill progress? Yes.

      If people seriously believe that the bill will make things worse they have no idea what is actually in the bill. A lot of people will look really silly in the coming months and years and those people are not the ones who support the bill getting passed.

      •  Here's what will happen (3+ / 0-)
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        For all the BS about "we have to pass a bill or the Republicans win" the Republicans also win with this piece of crap about to be passed in the Senate.

        The Republicans will exploit every weakness, every dollar mandated to be given to the insurance industry, and every word inserted so the Democrats can pass "something".

        The Republicans are licking their chops and chomping at the bit waiting for the opportunity to explain to the American people what this bill will cost them and what it really means. Health insurance companies are popping the champagne corks in anticipation.  

        That is the shortsightedness of passing anything to claim you passed "something".  

        And with all due respect, to claim this bill is part of the progressive agenda is delusional.  Progressives were thrown under the bus by this administration from the beginning.  

    •  I Agree (2+ / 0-)
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      The truth is the White House's attacking Howard Dean was really the last straw for me. I'm thinking of just sitting things out for a while. I'm not sure who the Democratic party is really for anymore, but I'm certain it isn't me. Anyhow, Howard Dean is probably the ONE person in this entire health care debate who isn't bought off or playing politics with our lives. For the White House to attack him (consequently me) and kiss Lieberman's and Nelson's asses is really too much for me to bear. The way I feel today, it's probably just best for the White House and me to part ways for a while.

      "The individual mandate is 'just one part of the bill' - its not worth losing everything else in the bill just to get it through." BruceMcF

      by irmaly on Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 08:23:41 AM PST

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      •  Yay (3+ / 0-)
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        orson, oxfdblue, Hope Monger

        President Palin.
        YOu want to be responsible for that?
        We need more and Better democrats. Sitting it out aint gonna help.

        http://www.wrapupafrica.com A skirt. A skill. A life saved.

        by librarianman on Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 08:34:10 AM PST

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        •  Concentrate on the better part (1+ / 0-)
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          I tend to think that the "more Democrats" part has been accomplished.  Now if we want a progressive agenda, we need to concentrate on the "better" part.  "More" only got us a HCR bill written by Snowe, Lieberman, and Nelson.

          I'm thinking about making it my spiritual journey to love others, [but] I fear the morons will disappoint me. - Rat, Pearls Before Swine

          by Gay In Maine on Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 08:41:47 AM PST

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          •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

            We need more and better ones. FDR had nearly 70 Democrats in the Senate, same with LBJ. Of course, some of these were Dixiecrats (modern Republicans). Nevertheless, we needs probably 3 to 5 more Democratic Senators, along with better ones who can at least support most of the Progressive Agenda. A new Senate Leader would be nice too, but not completely necessary.

        •  Oh, Please (5+ / 0-)

          You're talking to a long-time Democratic activist here. I don't buy into your bullshit threats. President Palin won't happen because of me. It will happen because the Democrats (including President Obama) vote for legislation that the people don't want and vote against legislation the people do want.

          Neither you nor they can lay that crap at my feet. Go elsewhere with your blame. You're barking up the wrong tree.

          "The individual mandate is 'just one part of the bill' - its not worth losing everything else in the bill just to get it through." BruceMcF

          by irmaly on Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 08:41:53 AM PST

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      •  They didn't attack him, get a grip. (0+ / 0-)

        Adults are allowed to have disagreements and still be friends.  Dean is a progressive darling and doesn't want to screw that up; Obama is a pragmatist and wants to get a serious piece of legislation passed.  

        President Barack Obama; I helped make this happen!

        by PittsburghPete on Sat Dec 19, 2009 at 09:46:37 AM PST

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