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  •  30 million new customers forced to buy their (4+ / 0-)
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    blueoasis, whabash090, DRo, MightyMole

    stuff, and little if any oversight or control?

    On top of that, a rockbound guarantee that single payer is dead, done and buried?

    They are wetting themselves with excitement.

    •  Single-payer died in the 60's (3+ / 0-)
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      dmhlt 66, whabash090, Sleepwalkr

      All the righteous anger in the world will not produce a better bill than the American political system will permit.

      •  Well, I think there is value in the right anger. (1+ / 0-)
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        whabash090

        For once, we the voters didn't drop the ball on this one: We put into office people who told us they would do better, and we had every reason to expect that they would when we voted.

        I don't think you can just talk about a "political system" as though it's some sort of an entity. The system should be what we choose it to be. To write this off as just another sad feature of the political system makes it seem like some machine that does what it does and doesn't care what we say.

        I'm not saying you're wrong, but I don't think that in my lifetime we the people will express ourselves this clearly again in an election (Senate SUPERMAJORITY!). The system is such that if the supermajority and the executive want it to move, it will move.

        Instead we get a health care bill that's as inadequate as the Copenhagen climate accord will be. Our leaders are cowards.

        •  It's a pretty good bill. (2+ / 0-)
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          dmhlt 66, Sleepwalkr

          The exchanges are far more important than the public option would ever be, and we kept those. We got rid of preexisting conditions and all sorts of loopholes for insurance co's to drop coverage. There are massive redistributive subsidies. Good stuff, through and through.

          And what's more, it's nearly the EXACT bill that Obama promised when he ran. What did you expect him to turn around and champion single-payer? He delivered what he said he would.

          And it's hardly a supermajority with Lieberman and Nelson as your last two votes.

          •  Pre-existing conditions but no cap on charges (0+ / 0-)

            really doesn't help.  I can't drop you because you have high blood pressure, but I can double your costs.  Sort of defeats the point of forcing everyone in to the risk pool.

          •  You must have missed the Obama Clinton debate (0+ / 0-)

            Or the Mandate Debate as the Post called it.

            •  I remember Obama getting slammed around here (2+ / 0-)
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              dmhlt 66, Sleepwalkr

              for opposing the mandate. But it was the right policy at the time, and now -- the one thing HRC was better on.

              •  You are talking in circles (0+ / 0-)

                And what's more, it's nearly the EXACT bill that Obama promised when he ran

                except for a major distinction ... he opposed mandates.

                I remember Obama getting slammed around here for opposing the mandate.

                I don't recall him getting "slammed" for that, but we agree he was right at the time. But then you backtrack and

                But it was the right policy at the time, and now -- the one thing HRC was better on.

                So you think mandates are good?  Even without capping costs?  Even without competitive options?

                Curiouser and curiouser

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