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  •  I understand what you're trying to say (1+ / 0-)
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    teacherken

    but I think that sometimes the venting is necessary.  Around here it often leads to action.  In my eyes a whole lot of good came out of Dean saying, "What I want to know is what in the world so many Democrats are doing..."

    You can replace Iraq with the health care debate and I still agree with him.  

    Just because our side won power doesn't mean that we get to stop fighting.  My main fight never was with elected Republicans anyway, I know better than to think that they're ever going to do anything I agree with.  I just wish that elected Democrats would do more to support our party, our agenda, and their own potential to be reelected.

    •  I don't disagree with venting (13+ / 0-)

      but words have consequences.  We are responsible for the words we express publicly.  

      And if our words are too extreme, then some who we might otherwise persuade will stop listening to us.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Sun Dec 20, 2009 at 05:58:10 PM PST

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      •  Supposedly... (2+ / 0-)
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        theal8r, rossl

        but then I see someone who started his political career by calling someone a "big fat idiot" become a senator, and then see people on this blog get overly offended by the use of a swear word on his post because of his office.

        That's bizarre to me.

        I don't want this blog to be used by anyone (even politicians I usually like) to try to get the blessing of the left.  If a politician comes here trying to persuade people to stop fighting, or to make the status quo OK, I think they deserve a little rough treatment.

        I think a lot of people are tired of working hard to get people elected just to wind up having to deal with more and more compromise.  I feel that way about education.  I see more and more Democrats pushing for charters and merit pay and wonder...who is fighting for me?  Who is fighting for the kids who are going to suffer for the compromises the electeds in my party are making?  When will they finally have the courage to use the power WE gave them?

        •  anyone else, I'd agree with you (0+ / 0-)

          But Rush Limbaugh had it coming, and then some. He's not exactly circumspect with his own rhetoric.

          •  I don't think you understand me (1+ / 0-)
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            frankzappatista

            my point wasn't that I was offended by Franken.  It was that when we embrace people who gained prominence by being over the top we shouldn't then be offended when people go over the top.

            I don't like hypocrisy no matter who is responsible.  

            Just for the record I like Franken just fine, and am not really angry with him about his post, but I support other peoples' right to be mad and say it.

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