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  •  well done (5+ / 0-)

    but beware

    We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

     nationalism is still just an ism.  Usually the root of many an evil.

    (regarding the bank mess) They want to cure the patient but not deal with the disease.

    by dark daze on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 02:00:03 PM PST

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    •  Obama's words not offered in blind nationalism (17+ / 0-)

      but rather in a sense of common purpose, of a binding together of a broad and diverse society and nation.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 02:32:02 PM PST

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      •  yeah they are (0+ / 0-)

        how do you not see that.

        (regarding the bank mess) They want to cure the patient but not deal with the disease.

        by dark daze on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 03:00:18 PM PST

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        •  how is this nationalism? (0+ / 0-)

          Isn't nationalism about claims of national superiority and privilege?  Is a claim of a right to defense a claim to either of those things?  Wouldn't all nations claim such a right?

          Once again, Pi is responsible for errors.

          by Novem on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 06:31:00 PM PST

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          •  the wars and occupations that we (0+ / 0-)

            War cannot be waged to instill any virtue, including democracy or the liberation of women. - Chris Hedges

            by dancewater on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 06:46:30 PM PST

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            •  Well, we may disagree about that (0+ / 0-)

              but surely you are not implying that the suggestion of unity in defense in a speech is nationalistic?

              The fact of the matter is that the refusal of the Taliban to give up Bin Laden to us- and the harboring of him for years- was and is an act of war.  Our actions now may or may not be acceptable, wise, or just; yet isn't claiming a speech made four years ago about the unity of the American people to be nationalistic because it mentions unity in defense (regardless of whether the specific wars we are engaged in are defensive) a little...extreme?

              Once again, Pi is responsible for errors.

              by Novem on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 07:10:43 PM PST

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              •  well, actually the Taliban propably could (0+ / 0-)

                have been talked into giving up OBL, if we had convinced them that OBL was the guilty party.  And they didn't harbor him for years - OBL split for Pakistan.  

                But why talk when you can bomb?

                And I agree in 'unity in defense' but the problem lies in the fact that we need to be defended AGAINST OUR OWN STUPIDITY, since that is what will bring us down.  Not 19 guys with box cutters.

                Let me point out again - OUR ENEMY IS OUR OWN STUPIDITY.

                War cannot be waged to instill any virtue, including democracy or the liberation of women. - Chris Hedges

                by dancewater on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 07:17:10 PM PST

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                •  You're missing the point (0+ / 0-)

                  Whether or not our particular course of actions is justified or smart policy isn't the issue in contention....it was the claim that "unity in defense" as a theme in Obama's 2004 Keynote was nationalistic.  I think there are plenty of instances where both Obama's policies and rhetoric are close to nationalistic.  This is not one of them.

                  Once again, Pi is responsible for errors.

                  by Novem on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 09:18:30 PM PST

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          •  It needn't have anything to do with claims (0+ / 0-)

            of superiority.

            "Intolerance is something which belongs to the religions we have rejected." - J.J. Rousseau

            by James Allen on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 12:06:15 AM PST

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      •  It was a nice speech (0+ / 0-)

        With enough push-back, some of his policies just might begin to somewhat reflect its message.

        For now, he wants to fuck blue-collar workers over to fund their corporate betters.  

        "Don't tell me what you think, show me what you've done."

        Why is Obama letting his prefect be the enemy of the good?

        by JesseCW on Wed Dec 23, 2009 at 08:16:42 PM PST

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